Noisy kids upstairs, should the previous owner disclose this when selling? Help pleas

jingledoghere

G_M wrote: »

Yes ---- if there is an unresolved and ongoing legal dispute over the noise between the vendors and the flat upstairs.

Otherwise, no. Of course not. At what point in the 'decebel scale' do you feel voluntary disclosure should happen? At what time?

When noise becomes intrusive is totally subjective.

Thanks. From what I know, vendor should disclose any ongoing dispute and also resolved dispute in the past. The question is what is to be defined as a dispute officially? Does it has to be logged in council or police records? They made complain to the landlord and had argument with upstairs. this doesn't count?

jingledoghere

Fire_Fox wrote: »

How do I know, I don't know how noisy they are being? As stated in my earlier post you can't complain about unavoidable/ normal noise like crying but it's perfectly reasonable to complain about behaviours that are excessive and can be reduced or controlled. You don't even have to say who is making the noise since you are not in the upstairs flat to see it, just that you can hear banging regularly.



Depends if this is normal reasonable everyday living noise, we aren't there so we don't know. Do you think uncontrolled screaming and jumping is acceptable in an upstairs flat? Who said anything about an abatement order at this stage, aren't you jumping the gun a tad? EH may opt to informally mediate which may be enough to make the parents realise their kids need to get out more or they need to move.

Or EH may tell the OP the noise is barely audible and they are being unreasonable. Or they might recommend to the landlord extra sound proofing/ carpeting is installed and he might comply. There are many possible outcomes.

You are absolutely right. I will try to talk to the parents first.

olly300

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Welcome.

1. Speak again to the parents again. They are not responsible for crying, walking or noises of calm activity but they are responsible for taking their children outside to burn off steam if they cannot stop them running, jumping and screaming

This is the only thing that will work to stop the children.

Fire_Fox wrote: »

2. Approach Environmental Health at the local council, keep a noise diary, persevere with this it takes time and multiple complaints
3. Read your long lease for any covenants about noise and raise this with the freeholder/ management company, ask them to investigate the sound proofing

Waste of time.

Legally children can make as much noise as they like when they like. It's not a noise nuisance unless they are playing loud music.

Fire_Fox wrote: »

4. Purchase some wax or silicone ear plugs (not foam they are useless).

Again another thing to do.

ruggedtoast

How old are they? They will be in school soon i should think.

michelle2008

I think with children in flats and attached houses noise is inevitable. They run and jump and cry all the time. There is very little you can do apart from adjust your tolerances and try not to let it get to you.

Have you considered moving? I know it sounds drastic but easier than starting a campaign of diaries and complaints when most will simply dismiss your concerns.

Maybe apartment living is not for you - it wasn't for me - noise was unbearable!!

Mojisola

jingledoghere wrote: »

You are absolutely right. I will try to talk to the parents first.

If the parents are reasonable people, try inviting them down to hear for themselves what it's like in your flat. They may be able to mitigate the noise to some extent by making sure the children don't wear outside shoes indoors or they could put down rugs in some areas (like above your work station) or just encourage the children to take a break from running around every so often during the day.

hazyjo

Do you know if they have carpet?

Jx

Kayalana99

Mojisola wrote: »

If the parents are reasonable people, try inviting them down to hear for themselves what it's like in your flat. They may be able to mitigate the noise to some extent by making sure the children don't wear outside shoes indoors or they could put down rugs in some areas (like above your work station) or just encourage the children to take a break from running around every so often during the day.

, but thier not going to come downstairs to the OP's flat and leave thier children upstairs!! :eek:

Thier's nothing the parents can do - you need your quiet yes, but they are kids that need to play!

You can tell the parents to 'take them outside' but they could equally turn round to you and say that you shouldn't be running a business from home anyway... (in most cases this is true? but as long your not disrupting other people with it no one is going to complain)

You want whats fair for you but they want whats fair for them. They sound reasonable people but what are they to do?

olly300

Kayalana99 wrote: »

, but thier not going to come downstairs to the OP's flat and leave thier children upstairs!! :eek:

They can take turns.

The OP said parents not parent

Kayalana99 wrote: »

Thier's nothiqng the parents can do - you need your quiet yes, but they are kids that need to play!

You can tell the parents to 'take them outside'

It's a good idea to take the kids outside for an hour or two daily for their education and development.

You play differently outside from inside.

It still won't make much difference to the noise nuisance as if they are like the children I've looked after over the years, after a very short break they are back running around.

Kayalana99 wrote: »

but they could equally turn round to you and say that you shouldn't be running a business from home anyway... (in most cases this is true?

No it's not true.

It depends on the restrictive covenants on each property.

mummyroysof3

How old are they? Surely there are breaks in the noise too? Was going to suggest does it sound worse as yo are trying to sit in silence...would a radio on low make the noise not so noticeable. I would hate to live in an apartment with kids as I couldn't put up with my own children's noise in one never mind someone else's lol