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  • RJP33
    RJP33 Posts: 339 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    indeed so

    It would be very sad if scargill, red robbo and hatton were remembered and none of the original dreamers and fighters.
    Absolutely, the true heroes have unfortunately been forgotten in favour of people who thought the state owed them a living a other people's expense.
  • ash28
    ash28 Posts: 1,789 Forumite
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    I don't think that's right, either,

    COmpare and contrast employment protection in 1800 and 1970, before EU employment rights got going.

    I think the difference is that any rights implemented by a UK government can be removed or changed at will......rights introduced under the EU can't be easily be removed by the government.

    So although a lot what has been implemented by the EU we already had...a government can't change it at will.

    One thing the EU did do that I can remember was giving everyone paid holidays as a right and not a privilege - which they were until 1997/8, hard to believe that as late as 1997/8 people weren't entitled to paid annual leave - bank holidays - yes.

    The annual leave as a right was 20 days and could include bank holidays - so most were given 12 days annual paid leave.

    The further changes to annual leave where annual leave went to 5.6 weeks were negotiated by the unions. As far as I'm aware EU ruling is still 4 weeks.
  • StevieJ
    StevieJ Posts: 20,174 Forumite
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    indeed so

    It would be very sad if scargill, red robbo and hatton were remembered and none of the original dreamers and fighters.

    Conditions were appalling for the 1,400 women and girls who worked at Bryant and May's match factory in Bow, east London. Low pay for a 14-hour day was cut even more if you talked or went to the toilet, and 'phossy jaw' - a horrible bone cancer caused by the cheap type of phosphorus in the matches - was common.

    An article by women's rights campaigner Annie Besant in the weekly paper, The Link, described the terrible conditions of the factory. The management was furious, but the workers refused to deny the truth of the report. When one of the workers was then fired, an immediate full-scale strike among the match girls was sparked. Public sympathy and support was enormous, surprising the management: it was an early example of what we now call a PR disaster. A few weeks later, they caved in and improved pay and conditions. A dozen years later they stopped using the lethal form of phosphorus. This article from Reynolds's Newspaper on 8 July 1888 reports on the start of the strike.

    matchgirls-small.jpg
    'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    StevieJ wrote: »
    matchgirls-small.jpg

    It's funny how people think of strikes like the match girls (undeniably a group that needed to stop working in those conditions) when the reality was that the early trade union movement was mostly about restricting entry to trades and thus keeping wages up. Most trades unions were restricted to skilled workers only.

    That's why the match girls' strike was so remarkable: it was a group of largely unskilled workers that were taking on management.
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    All those that praise the 70s unions so highly should look at some of the "keep blacks out" campaigns organised by dockworker unions amongst others, and then decide how great they were.
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    All those that praise the 70s unions so highly should look at some of the "keep blacks out" campaigns organised by dockworker unions amongst others, and then decide how great they were.

    Ford as well I think.

    Any colour of worker as long as he's white.
  • kaya
    kaya Posts: 2,465 Forumite
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    She is a tory tax dodger, her 6 million pound belgravia home is owned by some offshore company so the 2.4 million pound inheritance tax due to the taxpayer will not be paid , maybe all the thatcherites on here could club together and find the ten million or so for the funeral from their own pockets as they seem to idolise her so much ?
  • ILW
    ILW Posts: 18,333 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    Ford as well I think.

    Any colour of worker as long as he's white.
    Ford would employ "coloured" workers but the union closed shop made it impossible for them to get the favoured jobs such as driving trucks.

    To be fair, some of the unions were quite open about it.
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    ILW wrote: »
    Ford would employ "coloured" workers but the union closed shop made it impossible for them to get the favoured jobs such as driving trucks.

    To be fair, some of the unions were quite open about it.

    Oh well that's alright then. No hiding behind hoods like the Klan for Ford workers.
  • grizzly1911
    grizzly1911 Posts: 9,965 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    It's funny how people think of strikes like the match girls (undeniably a group that needed to stop working in those conditions) when the reality was that the early trade union movement was mostly about restricting entry to trades and thus keeping wages up. Most trades unions were restricted to skilled workers only.

    That's why the match girls' strike was so remarkable: it was a group of largely unskilled workers that were taking on management.

    Matches and strikes:think:
    "If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....

    "big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham
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