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studentphil

seven-day-weekend wrote: »

Phil, I am proud of my son for getting a part-time job in Matalan. I hope your parents would be glad whatever job you get (providing it's not illegal or immoral!).

I know my parents love me a great deal but they are old and they just don't get the modern world and don't understand how hard it is to get a job now. I try my best to love them but sometimes they drive me mad and I feel a right disappointment to them for not having this good job they want. I know it is not much of a job 12 hours a week at a librarry but I would have loved the job and I would have made a really good go of it and it is so disappointing not to have got it by the looks of things.

Melissa177

"They f*** you up, your mum & dad"

Actually, I'm with Phil 100% on this. I don't understand why people don't get back to you after you've applied for job/gone for an interview. If you've gone for an interview, the least that should be expected from the company is a letter informing you that they won't be hiring you. Sadly, that is rarely the case.

I'm going to probably pee off plenty of people on this forum, but HR Management is hardly rocket science. I've met all too many HR Managers who think they know everything, and act like self-appointed over-seers of a company, when actually they are just finding people to do the jobs that they can't do themselves because they don't have the skills.

Phil - after a week, I would call and ask if a decision has been made on the post yet, and politely ask for any feedback from your interview. It shows initiative. Otherwise, they might think you've found another job, or don't realise how much you want that job. I know I'd rather hire someone who was keen to start, like yourself.


Finally, although we all want to make our parents proud of us, they should be already proud of you, going to university. For some parents, nothing you do will ever please them. It sounds like your parents might belong to that category! Part of growing up is realising your parents' faults, and learning how to handle them. It took me a good 21 years to do that with my oh-so-critical mother.

studentphil

I am going to phone up on Thursday. If I did not want this job with all my heart and desire then I would not have applied for it. I would start tomorrow if they would let me.

Maybe I am not cut out to be a business man but I would always show respect to everyone I interviewed in letting them know in an email, letter or phone call. It is common human decency.


I do always put all my desires and self into any sort of work and that is why I always find it very upsetting when it does not come good as it is a failure of my inner and most personal self.

brazilianwax

Melissa177 wrote: »

"They f*** you up, your mum & dad"

Actually, I'm with Phil 100% on this. I don't understand why people don't get back to you after you've applied for job/gone for an interview. If you've gone for an interview, the least that should be expected from the company is a letter informing you that they won't be hiring you. Sadly, that is rarely the case.

I'm going to probably pee off plenty of people on this forum, but HR Management is hardly rocket science. I've met all too many HR Managers who think they know everything, and act like self-appointed over-seers of a company, when actually they are just finding people to do the jobs that they can't do themselves because they don't have the skills.

Phil - after a week, I would call and ask if a decision has been made on the post yet, and politely ask for any feedback from your interview. It shows initiative. Otherwise, they might think you've found another job, or don't realise how much you want that job. I know I'd rather hire someone who was keen to start, like yourself.

Thanks very much.

I'm an HR manager, and a professional one at that. My job is a lot more complicated than just putting bums on seats. It helps that I've done most of the jobs in the organisation, and I have respect from the staff. I'm responsible for a lot of the strategies that ensure the organisation is effective. Actually, it isnt a job - it's a career and a vocation.

For the record, I make sure that every candidate that applies for a post is written to with the outcome (by e-mail and quickly), and spend massive amounts of time providing feedback to them. A number of initially unsuccessful applicants have gone on to get jobs with us, mainly because they act on the feedback provided. I agree that not contacting unsuccessful applicants is unacceptable.

However, I do get frustrated by people who pester me endlessly and don't act on the feedback provided. There are quite a number of them who dont' seem to realise that unless they improve their applications, they have no hope.

I advised SP to wait at least a week before pestering. I agree that a polite phonecall requesting the outcome/feedback is wholly appropriate.

studentphil

So after 9 days of waiting a call does seem reasonable I think.

Melissa177

brazilianwax wrote: »

Thanks very much.

I'm an HR manager, and a professional one at that. My job is a lot more complicated than just putting bums on seats. It helps that I've done most of the jobs in the organisation, and I have respect from the staff. I'm responsible for a lot of the strategies that ensure the organisation is effective. Actually, it isnt a job - it's a career and a vocation.

For the record, I make sure that every candidate that applies for a post is written to with the outcome (by e-mail and quickly), and spend massive amounts of time providing feedback to them. A number of initially unsuccessful applicants have gone on to get jobs with us, mainly because they act on the feedback provided. I agree that not contacting unsuccessful applicants is unacceptable.

However, I do get frustrated by people who pester me endlessly and don't act on the feedback provided. There are quite a number of them who dont' seem to realise that unless they improve their applications, they have no hope.

I advised SP to wait at least a week before pestering. I agree that a polite phonecall requesting the outcome/feedback is wholly appropriate.

Hi, I thought I'd rile someone with my comments!

You are clearly one of the good HR managers - I am amazed by the number of friends who apply for jobs, and then hear nothing. Or go for an interview, and hear nothing. It's so rude.

One of my friends, who works for a large public service body, is wonderful at his job, and his superiors have told him he needs to be promoted. But HR won't let his managers promote him, because he "hasn't been in his job for the pre-requisite 2 years". I hear this sort of thing so much.

brazilianwax

Melissa177 wrote: »

Hi, I thought I'd rile someone with my comments!

You are clearly one of the good HR managers - I am amazed by the number of friends who apply for jobs, and then hear nothing. Or go for an interview, and hear nothing. It's so rude.

One of my friends, who works for a large public service body, is wonderful at his job, and his superiors have told him he needs to be promoted. But HR won't let his managers promote him, because he "hasn't been in his job for the pre-requisite 2 years". I hear this sort of thing so much.

Yep. I'm in the public sector too. But I'm working hard to change all this old fashioned time-based b0llox.

I promoted someone by 1 grade 3 weeks ago (open competition). Yesterday I promoted him again (open competition). He hadn't even started the first promotion, but his application was absolutely faultless both times.

Melissa177

Good stuff! Glad to hear there are some good HR people out there who promote people who earn the right to a promotion, rather than just be in a job for a specified amount of time!

Morglin

I wouldn't want to work for a company too ignorant/disorganised to at least EMail if you have not been selected for interview. :rolleyes:

Years ago, you had to enclose an SAE with a job application, so that they could pop a rejection slip in, for those unsuccessful - I don't know why they cannot continue to do that.

Phil - sometimes job applications attract many candidates, and not everyone can be selected. So, if you contact them, and you're not successful, then just ASK (nicely) for some feedback as to why, and then use that when you next apply for a job.

But, as I have said many times before, if you contact the DWP Job Centre, there is help available for both people your age and for disabled job seekers.:T

You may have to start at the bottom (most of us did lol), but you can soon rise up.

Academic qualifications are good - but it doesn't always mean someone can do a job, and companies often prefer to promote those who have proved themselves.

Explain to your parents that times have changed - and ask them to back off with the moaning etc.,

Lin

Ruby_Pudding

Melissa177 wrote: »

I'm going to probably pee off plenty of people on this forum, but HR Management is hardly rocket science. I've met all too many HR Managers who think they know everything, and act like self-appointed over-seers of a company, when actually they are just finding people to do the jobs that they can't do themselves because they don't have the skills.

Excuse ME. I have worked very hard to be where I am today including post grad study. This has nothing to do with how HR are acting and everything to do with how SP feels he should have been treated - after only a few days. Perhaps there were other candidates, perhaps the decision maker is away, perhaps budget cuts are forcing a rethink, perhaps policy is not to make a decision until all candidates have been interviewed and given a fair assessment. Perhaps there are 100 reasons why Phil isn't the centre of attention he very clearly thinks he should be. And for your information, HR done well IS rocket science - although very rarely appreciated by people who have no comprehension of what it clearly means to do the job well :rolleyes: