Nice people thread part 8 - worth the wait

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

zagubov wrote: »

The fact that a fancy watch can be forged at all and people can be taken in byit bothers me at some level. It suggests that one of the most faked thingsabout it is the apparent good taste and knowledge and discrimination of thebuyer.

Watches are an interesting topic.

On the one hand, they are a functional timepiece, and it is true that a fake Rolex will functionally tell you the time much as a genuine Rolex will. At first....

But most fakes would not do so indefinitely, nor be as accurate and reliable as the real thing, nor be as durable as of course they are manufactured from much poorer and cheaper materials.

In addition to being a functional timepiece however, some watches are also an item of jewellery that provide aesthetic pleasure, and their value in this regard is of more significance.

A Cartier Tank uses a movement little different to many far cheaper but still quality watches, however it's an absolutely iconic watch with a remarkable history.

Now I suppose you could say that a fake gold wedding ring is of no difference to a real gold wedding ring. At least in terms of practicality and usability. And it is also true that most people couldn't tell the difference on sight....

But I'm not sure why it is troubling that most people would not want the fake?

vivatifosi

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Watches are an interesting topic.

On the one hand, they are a functional timepiece, and it is true that a fake Rolex will functionally tell you the time much as a genuine Rolex will. At first....

But most fakes would not do so indefinitely, nor be as accurate and reliable as the real thing, nor be as durable as of course they are manufactured from much poorer and cheaper materials.

In addition to being a functional timepiece however, some watches are also an item of jewellery that provide aesthetic pleasure, and their value in this regard is of more significance.

A Cartier Tank uses a movement little different to many far cheaper but still quality watches, however it's an absolutely iconic watch with a remarkable history.

Now I suppose you could say that a fake gold wedding ring is of no difference to a real gold wedding ring. At least in terms of practicality and usability. And it is also true that most people couldn't tell the difference on sight....

But I'm not sure why it is troubling that most people would not want the fake?

Cartier Tanks are the most beautiful of all timepieces IMO. Would never want one though, too high maintenance. DH likes timepieces. He wouldn't have a Rolex, says they are not good timekeepers for the outlay. His favourite iconic timepiece is the original Omega moon watch. My favourite of his watches is a Russian one, made out of recycled ICBM cases. Poljot I think.

PasturesNew

Spirit wrote: »

How do you all know about this weird stuff?

I read about it on MSE a few years back. All I knew was shoes/good money..... never knew about the bugs etc.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

vivatifosi wrote: »

Cartier Tanks are the most beautiful of all timepieces IMO. Would never want one though, too high maintenance.

Mrs McT has a Tank, and I'd agree they are absolutely beautiful, just timeless elegance.

I have a Santos which appealed to me more given my flying connections and the history of the watch, although have been wearing a Chronoscaph lately as need to get the Santos band adjusted thanks to dieting.

They're not particularly high maintenance though?

We've had ours for over a decade, no real issues.

DH likes timepieces. He wouldn't have a Rolex, says they are not good timekeepers for the outlay. His favourite iconic timepiece is the original Omega moon watch. My favourite of his watches is a Russian one, made out of recycled ICBM cases. Poljot I think.

I like to buy and sell vintage Omega watches and those are some of my favourites, I'd say I like to buy and sell vintage Cartier as well, but actually there's a lot of buying and I can rarely bring myself to sell.:(

I'm not a huge fan of Rolex, I've had a Sub in the past, but sold it.

I do very much like these yacht masters though, and will probably give in one day....

http://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Rolex/Yachtmaster/16622/5262/item/27912

lostinrates

vivatifosi wrote: »

It's strange how different peoples' skin can be. I can only use daywear, Nivea and ANR... Anything else and I feel my skin will peel off.

Good luck finding a solution. Aloe gel? I can use that too, but not sure that's much of a recommendation.

My skin LOVES avene, which DH uses, and has since he was a teen and his dermatologist recommended.


Then, when my father was at boots I asked him to get some avene and he bought some aveeno (similar naem:D) and this is also brilliant. While they don't 'illuminate' or 'radiate' or anything, they are good at keeping calm and happy. That's great ATM!

The sunscreen by avene makes me look like pierot with cirrosis of the liver for a couple of hours in the morning though :rotfl:

lostinrates

I would never buy an expensive watch....I'm not a watch person. But I would buy an expensive other thing that appealed to me. That's the thing I think, there are people who buy thing like watches to please themselves, and others to impress other people. (A code of years ago a client of mine and her husband asked DH and I for lunch. We had assumed it was social and we'd go Dutch, but he made a big thing about 'treating us' and telling us how much he was paid now and could addord it which was really embarrassing because we wondered if we should say, oh no, really if that's the measure, let us....-and then all about his SECOND Rolex watch and so on and so forth. The very richest of quite a few very rich people I know wears a watch that cost 20 quid or something. He tells a good story about why, the balance to hamish's view and then tells about how he looks at what watches other people wear.

Me.....I like seeing beautiful things, as I said. I have some pretty watches which were cheap. That's food enough for me. . I ever wear them anyway. If I had a job wear a watch was a requisite and wearing a watch with cheap sparkly bits wasn't appropriate I'd probably want a watch that appealed in other ways I found attractive.

PasturesNew

I really miss public clocks. Years ago, wherever you were you could find a public clock within a few feet. Look in the window of most shops and there'd be one above the counter, or in larger shops by the escalator..... and buildings had clocks.

As I don't wear a watch, I really miss public clocks.

zagubov

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Watches are an interesting topic.

On the one hand, they are a functional timepiece, and it is true that a fake Rolex will functionally tell you the time much as a genuine Rolex will. At first....

But most fakes would not do so indefinitely, nor be as accurate and reliable as the real thing, nor be as durable as of course they are manufactured from much poorer and cheaper materials.

In addition to being a functional timepiece however, some watches are also an item of jewellery that provide aesthetic pleasure, and their value in this regard is of more significance.

A Cartier Tank uses a movement little different to many far cheaper but still quality watches, however it's an absolutely iconic watch with a remarkable history.

Now I suppose you could say that a fake gold wedding ring is of no difference to a real gold wedding ring. At least in terms of practicality and usability. And it is also true that most people couldn't tell the difference on sight....

But I'm not sure why it is troubling that most people would not want the fake?

I don't know many people that would be troubled by that.

I'd be more worried about purity of the basic stuff like food and medicines. Watches and jewellery, not so much.

If you read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science or Testing Treatments, you'll start wondering if we'd be better off using the placebo effect more in our lives.:)

chewmylegoff

i don't understand the point of expensive watches really. it's not as if spending a couple of grand on it can make it the time better as 2pm is still 2pm whether you're looking at a £1.99 casio digital watch or a £10,000 rolex. sure, the rolex might keep the right time for longer but given that you can correct the casio by pressing a couple of buttons i'm not sure that feature justifies the £9,998.01 additional outlay. then you're just down to whether it looks nice or not. if you want something which looks nice then buy some jewellery or something.

zagubov

PasturesNew wrote: »

I really miss public clocks. Years ago, wherever you were you could find a public clock within a few feet. Look in the window of most shops and there'd be one above the counter, or in larger shops by the escalator..... and buildings had clocks.

As I don't wear a watch, I really miss public clocks.

Loads of students rarely wear watches. And the ones who do badly in exams NEVER do.