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Nice people thread part 8 - worth the wait

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  • GDB2222
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    Nikkster wrote: »
    I can completely understand the want to 'try anything', and am all for research. But not giving people false hope with something completely unproven and charging a large amount of money for it. That is just wrong. I.e. should add that that opinion was based on a quick google, not any specific knowledge. I would rather spend my last weeks/ days in the company of those who love me, not have them trying to raise thousands to send me for some completely unproven (and I'm not talking about a first in man legit clinical trial) potion.

    I didn't watch the programme, but I did read an article about it on the BBC website. Essentially, the programme says that this is a scam, preying on the desperate and gullible, or at least the desperate. Why it takes a whole edition of Panorama to say that is beyond me.
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
  • michaels
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    GDB2222 wrote: »
    I didn't watch the programme, but I did read an article about it on the BBC website. Essentially, the programme says that this is a scam, preying on the desperate and gullible, or at least the desperate. Why it takes a whole edition of Panorama to say that is beyond me.


    One of my problems with the BBC is an editorial policay that 'all opinions are valid and should be aired' as in cases where 99% of experts beleive one thing and 1 person has a different view, both sides are presented and because they both get a similar amount of time it is easy for the casual viewer to get the impression that there is a real debate and that either 'side' might be correct.
    I think....
  • lostinrates
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    I've been Money Tipped!
    bBUGSLET, something about head wear on radio four today.....
  • lostinrates
    lostinrates Posts: 55,283 Forumite
    I've been Money Tipped!
    Got the coronation on telly - a raft of posh people who were there telling us what they did.

    I've got some old photos I collected together from the parents' house showing bunting at my maternal grandmother's house so I know there was some get together in the family, but not the street. The family were all close together and were always in/out of each others' houses, so that's not surprising.

    No idea where my dad was, he was doing national service on that date and I can't ask him now as he's not with us.

    Not bothered.... it's just bereavement makes you think daft things like that. All the times you wish you'd listened and all the questions you never asked (important and unimportant).

    Mind you, you never got a straight answer to any questions about the past if you even asked them.

    I don't have any of these memories either PN. My mother was a long way from UK then, my father's memory of that time isn't brilliant.

    It's still interesting to watch though....or could be. I intend trying to bake my cold away in the garden today instead. :)
  • zagubov
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    edited 4 June 2013 at 10:59AM
    michaels wrote: »
    One of my problems with the BBC is an editorial policay that 'all opinions are valid and should be aired' as in cases where 99% of experts beleive one thing and 1 person has a different view, both sides are presented and because they both get a similar amount of time it is easy for the casual viewer to get the impression that there is a real debate and that either 'side' might be correct.
    Quite so.:(

    Just a few weeks go I saw a twitter request (itvnews) for people to be interviewed by a TV station for an upcoming programme to give either side of the story for the "MMR autism controversy".


    The old flat earth theorists would have a field day in the modern press as the newpapers would try to balance the new-fangled theory of the round earthers against the traditionalist flat earthers to give proper balance!:mad:
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  • lostinrates
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    I actually do think all sides should be discussed, but the position of statistical likelihood and credence explained.
  • CKhalvashi
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    I actually do think all sides should be discussed, but the position of statistical likelihood and credence explained.

    I think the issue is that it will go more on emotion than actual science.......

    I do think it should be looked into, but don't think this is completely the right way :)
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  • lostinrates
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    edited 4 June 2013 at 3:36PM
    People will choose based on all sorts of things. Faith, for example, or scientific bent (which we know changes with research) or emotion. All IMO are justifiable. Ignorance of options and a failure to dispassionately out as snake oil are not. The thing is, that by not acknowledging them they are given credence by those of 'a skeptical' mindset. This comes in many guises from the benign ' want to do what's natural' misunderstanding, to the looniest of the conspiracy theorists, however, the entire spectrum of skeptic loves to be able to say ' they are not telling us' for whatever reason they believe.

    For example,when I decided not to have my lumbar puncture last year it was a mixture of emotion and reason. (Reasoning being I didn't like the timing, the hospital nor did I feel the procedure was necessary without seeing what a drugs change has done. I believe, even though it 'pandered' to my emotion it was the right decision at the time. :). Now the drugs are well established and I know I don't need the lp but I am more ok about having it, because I know that will show the consultant what I have been saying is right.

    I know a really excellent masseur who gives great massages. I feel great afterwards, but I believe the reasons I feel great are different from the reasons the masseur things they are great. (Masseur believes pain is imposed by devils or demons or some such codswallop and they can be pulled out) I just think they have really great massage technique and I can rise above our differences in the belief of the source of the benefits of the massage.

    I have quite a few Christian Scientist friends. I think they are barking, and agree that their children at least should not be denied treatment, but as adults if their health is not causing issues for others (e.g. No dangerous mental health issues) they have the right to make choices for them selves about what treatment they turn down. Even if its life saving.

    It's a very dangerous road to go down further than we currently do imo If we say other people's lucid reasoning is not acceptable, or that perhaps a percentage of population are to feeble minded to make decisions aboutbtheir health.

    I feel there is a very oddly Victorian morbid pseudo scientific sentimentality to wards much health related.
  • GDB2222
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    HELPPPP, please!!!!

    After years of denigrating my cooking, my wife has delegated me to cook dinner tonight. It needs to be cod fillets - actually 'cod loins' on the packet. What do the NPs think I should I do with these? (I did think of binning them and making reservations.)
    No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?
  • lostinrates
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    edited 4 June 2013 at 3:41PM
    GDB2222 wrote: »
    HELPPPP, please!!!!

    After years of denigrating my cooking, my wife has delegated me to cook dinner tonight. It needs to be cod fillets - actually 'cod loins' on the packet. What do the NPs think I should I do with these? (I did think of binning them and making reservations.)

    Very easy option, one of my standbys....

    Out in a ceramic baking dish with some very small new potatoes and some smallish but not cherry tomatoes, some sweet onion cut into rings and the rings separated, and some pitted black olives. Drizzle with olive oil. Put in oven. It's done wen the potato is just cooked. (If one were more organised I guess one should parboil the potatoes first rather than over cook the fish or undercook the potatoes!


    Alternatively, IMO you cannot beat a simple pan fried white fish with beurre blanc. I like to add capors.
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