Daughter 11 wants to go on a Christian camp

Corelli

Hi, I chimed in earlier, not read all the posts since but do I get the idea that you are now looking for another fun summer activity for your daughter? I'd repeat that the Woodcraft Folk have great summer camps for members. The YHA have a good reputation but are pricier than the last time I looked but have a 40% bursary discount for every child in receipt of free school dinners http://www.yha.org.uk/special-offer/yha-summer-camps and of course the PGL http://www.pgl.co.uk/PglWeb/default Might it be worth seeing if another friend and she could go to something like these ideas together?

Nicki

suki1001 wrote: »

No, I know people with younger children at the church, but I just don't think I'd trust their opinions anyway - if a child is converted, that's something they'd be pleased about anyway right?

I still don't quite get why it would be the end of the world if your daughter did come back from camp with a temporary or permanent faith. I get that you don't want her to join some weird cult, but the local evangelical church doesn't sound all that sinister to me even if you personally don't feel comfortable there.

Most of us with almost teenage daughters would be quite pleased to know that they will be entering their adolescent years with an intention not to engage in promiscuity, excess alcohol use, drugs, etc (all of which will be part of a Christian education and life style).

If a Christian camp can "indoctrinate" her in 7 days full time attendance, can you not "indoctrinate" her back in the 6 week summer holiday anyway ?

geoffky

You will have to be cruel to be kind on this one....Sounds a bit cultish..

suki1001

Nicki wrote: »

I still don't quite get why it would be the end of the world if your daughter did come back from camp with a temporary or permanent faith. I get that you don't want her to join some weird cult, but the local evangelical church doesn't sound all that sinister to me even if you personally don't feel comfortable there.

Most of us with almost teenage daughters would be quite pleased to know that they will be entering their adolescent years with an intention not to engage in promiscuity, excess alcohol use, drugs, etc (all of which will be part of a Christian education and life style).

If a Christian camp can "indoctrinate" her in 7 days full time attendance, can you not "indoctrinate" her back in the 6 week summer holiday anyway ?

Because I think that the camps will bombard her with the sort of worshipping based on a sort of euphoria, similar to taking drugs (can you feel the holy spirit sort of thing) and to me that is basing your faith on manipulation - if you bombard someone with that, then I'm not happy with my daughter being exposed to that.

It might not be classed as a cult, but it is weird and I certainly don't like the fact that the guy who runs it is bragging about his conquests on child conversions.

Besides, it's not an either or situation. I can't say i should send her to something like that because at least it isn't encouraging drug taking. Hopefully our parenting and helping her to make the right decisions will help guide her.

From our point of view it could be any religion and I'm making a big assumption that you come from a Christian background - in which case I wonder if your opinions would be the same if she had been invited to a Muslim camp?

Brighton_belle

suki1001 wrote: »

Because I think that the camps will bombard her with the sort of worshipping based on a sort of euphoria, similar to taking drugs (can you feel the holy spirit sort of thing) and to me that is basing your faith on manipulation - if you bombard someone with that, then I'm not happy with my daughter being exposed to that.

Spot on. In my experience she's too young IMO to go to this 'on her own'.

Treevo

Nicki wrote: »

I still don't quite get why it would be the end of the world if your daughter did come back from camp with a temporary or permanent faith. I get that you don't want her to join some weird cult, but the local evangelical church doesn't sound all that sinister to me even if you personally don't feel comfortable there.

Most of us with almost teenage daughters would be quite pleased to know that they will be entering their adolescent years with an intention not to engage in promiscuity, excess alcohol use, drugs, etc (all of which will be part of a Christian education and life style).

If a Christian camp can "indoctrinate" her in 7 days full time attendance, can you not "indoctrinate" her back in the 6 week summer holiday anyway ?

I rather think that most of us with almost teenage children would rather not have their heads filled with dangerous nonsense, actually.

Torry_Quine

Treevo wrote: »

I rather think that most of us with almost teenage children would rather not have their heads filled with dangerous nonsense, actually.

I wouldn't necessarily say that a Christian camp for young people is going to fill their heads with dangerous nonsense.

However it's the decision of the parents that matters.

Treevo

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily say that a Christian camp for young people is going to fill their heads with dangerous nonsense.

However it's the decision of the parents that matters.

I think putting a young girl in forced (for that is what it is) conversion, with hundreds of others all having some quasi-orgasmic seizure while allegedly being 'entered by the spirit' is bloody dangerous.

You've got to ask the question why they want to get these children on their own and force them to stay for hours while several adults try to convert them to their beliefs?

suki1001

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily say that a Christian camp for young people is going to fill their heads with dangerous nonsense.

However it's the decision of the parents that matters.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think i would have the same opinion about other Christian Camps and to be honest that's why I started the thread, because I just thought they were just things people did when they were young. This appears to be very different - run by this organisation with a consistent bombardment of "worshipping".

Torry_Quine

Treevo wrote: »

I think putting a young girl in forced (for that is what it is) conversion, with hundreds of others all having some quasi-orgasmic seizure while allegedly being 'entered by the spirit' is bloody dangerous.

You've got to ask the question why they want to get these children on their own and force them to stay for hours while several adults try to convert them to their beliefs?

You can't force someone to convert. Even if someone does make a commitment they are still the same person and having the spirit of God living in you will not harm you.

A camp will be for children whatever the type. A Christian camp is probably very similar to others apart from the bible teaching and worship.