Bedroom Tax and kids living away??

FBaby

nannytone wrote: »

£14 a week is nothing when you earn in excess of 60K, when youre getting under £100 its an awful lot

Everything is proportionate. Losing out on ££££ in CB will have a serious impact on some high earning families too.

My point was that I struggle to believe that there are no luxuries to be cut on to that value for most affected. It's not nice of course, but I doubt many will starve as a result.

evenasus

nannytone wrote: »

greatm you bought it and good for you. but what about those that couldnt work through disability? they should just accept whatever scraps come their way?

No, I'm not saying that at all.
Genuine disabled people should receive help.

What I'm having 'a go' at, is suggesting that we should be taxed for having 4 bedrooms, when we have never received any money from anywhere to enable us to buy it.

We have paid many £1000's over the last 45 years in council tax.
Tax, that some of which, the council have used to hand out to other people to pay for their housing.

nannytone_2

if the sustem has decided that having extra rooms is a crime, then it should apply to everyone.
rather than just reducing benefit to peop;e that need a 1 bed but libe in a 2 bed ....


all those that pay full rent should also be required to show meed.
those who pay full rent should be hit with a levy of 14% for an unoccupied bedroom.

then everyone would see that it is about freeing up rooms for families, raher than a revenue raising exercise

Mojisola

garyandsandra wrote: »

I am also a look after my elderly parents weekly and my disabled brother in law.

garyandsandra wrote: »

My brother in law who is 43 lives with my mother in law who is 74. He is wheelchair bound and suffers with Myatonic distrophe. He has a care package a few hours a day but the mother in law at 74 cant cope on her own as he is a 15 stone man who cant even stand up on his own.

I may only work part time at the minute but i still am out between parents and my brother in laws at all hours too.

I have tried for carers allowance but heard nothing back as yet, not really sure how that works all what i would have to do

It would make sense to chase up the CA.

evenasus

nannytone wrote: »

all those that pay full rent should also be required to show meed.
those who pay full rent should be hit with a levy of 14% for an unoccupied bedroom.

If you think that, fine, as long as it's only council owned houses.

nannytone wrote: »

then everyone would see that it is about freeing up rooms for families, raher than a revenue raising exercise[/B]

They're not using it to 'collect money' - they are trying to reduce what they 'pay out' from tax collected from people like me.
Because the money pot is running out.

pmlindyloo

nannytone wrote: »

if the sustem has decided that having extra rooms is a crime, then it should apply to everyone.
rather than just reducing benefit to peop;e that need a 1 bed but libe in a 2 bed ....


all those that pay full rent should also be required to show meed.
those who pay full rent should be hit with a levy of 14% for an unoccupied bedroom.

then everyone would see that it is about freeing up rooms for families, raher than a revenue raising exercise

But it isn't just about freeing up homes for families or a revenue raising exercising. It is about reducing the huge Social Welfare bill.

Unfortunately there will always be winners and losers when a change takes place or even in our present benefit system.

I am generally in favour of the changes. Those who are severely disabled get very generous disability benefits and need to find the extra money from these.

As I said, there will always be winners and losers.

I have great sympathy for you as I have read many of your posts. There are going to be people who are deeply affected by this and feel they can do nothing about it.

There does need to be a 'campaign' launched for people like yourself.

Have you done any of the following?

Contacted your local councillor and MP?

Contacted your local newspaper?

Contacted CAB and urged them to raise this as a Social Policy issue?

Contacted any charities that you have connections with to raise this issue?

I think your main issue is that there are no one bed places available for you to move to. Would you agree with that?

There are several parts to this reduction of HB that I disagree with - lack of smaller properties, no bedroom allowed for foster children - but if everyone makes enough noise about it things could change.

princessdon

meerustar wrote: »

Wouldn't bother people?? What, you'd let them without voicing your opinion? You wouldn't try to fight to stop it? I'm not surprised the Tories are stamping all over us then if people aren't bothered.

Thankfully, people are fighting this bedroom tax with protests planned up and down the country. Whether it helps or not remains to be seen, but at least people are doing something. You can't just let the government walk all over you.

I honestly am expecting it, maybe not in a bedroom tax, but another form of reduction in income. There isn't enough money to go around, it is getting to breaking point and at some point they will need to further increase taxes. Basic maths (and it isn't my strong point) but know it will happen.

And actually I'd rather see people like myself pay more than some of the ways they are hitting others.

I rarely get individual on benefit changes, but I don't agree with unfairness.

It was unfair that Private Rentals had been overhauled and SH not.

It was unfair to remove CB for £50K and not for £100K earners

I agree that SMI should now hit the bedroom tax. That would then create a somewhat level playing field with HB.

Then I'd look at SH and really freeing it up (removing those who now can pay) and leave it for the disabled who should be a priority. Then disabled who are in at times horrible housing in private sector can at least stand a chance of some equality.

So I guess, yes I do expect more cuts and proportionately workers over a set amount haven't been hit as hard as others and I don't think it's fair. Not in a bedroom tax but via some other form of removal of income or rising the rate.

There are many things I think are unfair. My Gran who because she had a very small private pension is hundreds of pounds worse off than those who never worked and has to pay £112 pm "bedroom tax" on her 2 bed (there was no 1 bed's) and also now has to pay a further Care Tax - whilst those on benefits get it free of charge. But as I said to her if you are happy where you are then just deal with it. It leaves her (a severly disabled woman) potentially with £31 pw after paying for additional rent, care and what they are propsosing for the Care Tax at her Social Housing. Not many others have £31 to live on do they?

But she and I don't want her to move, so there is no choice. The decision is right as there are people with vast incomes and savings getting care very cheaply. You can't legistlate for individual circumstances.

Far too many anomalies of benefit system so you need to look overall and overall it is time SH was brought in line with Private Rental, why should 1 group get extra benefits that others don't?
It's like saying "anyone North of Manchester will now get £20 less ESA" any males will get £10 less JSA. We need equality in order to have any form of civillised society.

nannytone_2

i dont attract the high benefit rates as i am only blind.
there are no alternatibe 1 bed places for me to go to.
i get only low rate disability benefit, and the help i need is paid for from this.

so i have no choice. i will lose 14% of my benefit, and akso the xhanges in council tax qill impact me.

so i will lode 20% of my income, even though i have no choice.

im a victim of the system. but never mind. im only 1 person and everyone else deserves it

princessdon

nannytone wrote: »

i dont attract the high benefit rates as i am only blind.
there are no alternatibe 1 bed places for me to go to.
i get only low rate disability benefit, and the help i need is paid for from this.

so i have no choice. i will lose 14% of my benefit, and akso the xhanges in council tax qill impact me.

so i will lode 20% of my income, even though i have no choice.

im a victim of the system. but never mind. im only 1 person and everyone else deserves it

As I have said before the alternative is to then look at individuals. My gran lost 87% of her income when she had to move to SH and it's not a level playing field against Pension Credit. I don't disagree with her paying, I just don't like to see people being discriminated against compared to a direct peer.

So bring back CB for some, alter TC for some. That is what discretionary payments are there for. You honestly can't apply a whole countries benefit system on 1 person (even if you want to). I'd like to see PC adjusted where they can prove the care they pay for takes them under the limit, but it won't happen.

There are cuts off's - some win and some lose. It feel awful to be on the receiving end of the "losing team", but you genuinely can't alter a whole country policy for an individual.

That is what discretionary payments are for I guess.

I have said it would be fairer to allow them not to pay the "tax" until a 1 bedroom - private or SH within a few miles becomes available. If they then refuse to move to that 1 bed for none medical needs (ie they just don't like the area) then the tax resumes.

But they need to consider disabled in Private Rentals too. Many of these are paying a huge proportion of their benefits. It needs to be an equal playing field and when they altered the LHR to 30% of rental and adjusted the number of bedrooms people exactly like you but renting privately were hit then. You can't have one group of people affected and not others.

So if they decide that those with disabilities are granted an extra room as they can't downsize then apply to Private Rental too.

It is inequality I disagree with not the system.

starrystarry

nannytone wrote: »

if the sustem has decided that having extra rooms is a crime, then it should apply to everyone.
rather than just reducing benefit to peop;e that need a 1 bed but libe in a 2 bed ....

Nobody has said it's a crime to have more rooms than you need, just that the taxpayer won't subsidise it any longer.