Why Is There Not Much Help For Binge Eating Disorder (and if there is, where is it?)

margaretclare

Nowt wrong with butter and honey, in small amounts. Far more 'natural' and therefore better for you, than any of the much-advertised 'alternatives'. I'd only buy Flora etc if I wanted to grease some axles with it.

daska

Butter is fine, lots of vitamins, and it's really not the fat that makes you fat, it's the carbs which raise your insulin and cause you to store the exess carbs as fat and then stop your body releasing the fat to use as fuel...

Honey also isn't bad for you.

What you're possibly not appreciating though is that your healthy cereal bars are essentially just carbs, there's precious little protein in there and by your own admission only a small amount of fat. If you consider that fat and protein are actually crucial for life (and carbs aren't) that's rather an obvious skew in the wrong direction. If you can't face anything before you go out then try frittatas (crustless quiche), you can make them in bulk in silicon muffin cases and keep them in the fridge then put them in a lunch box and eat when you get to work.

Well done on the run

oopsadaisydoddle

daska wrote: »

Butter is fine, lots of vitamins, and it's really not the fat that makes you fat, it's the carbs which raise your insulin and cause you to store the exess carbs as fat and then stop your body releasing the fat to use as fuel...

Honey also isn't bad for you.

What you're possibly not appreciating though is that your healthy cereal bars are essentially just carbs, there's precious little protein in there and by your own admission only a small amount of fat. If you consider that fat and protein are actually crucial for life (and carbs aren't) that's rather an obvious skew in the wrong direction. If you can't face anything before you go out then try frittatas (crustless quiche), you can make them in bulk in silicon muffin cases and keep them in the fridge then put them in a lunch box and eat when you get to work.

Well done on the run

Ah yes I see - I always thought that the oats were low gi so that is why I had been making them.

Do you have a recipe for the frittata in muffin cases. No worries if you don't, I can google. I have made crustless quiches before (aka SW quiche!!)

Fire_Fox

oopsadaisydoddle wrote: »

Hi again!

I'm feeling quite good today, apart from tiredness...DS up half the night full of cold!

I do take lunch sometimes but not always. I only get a 15 mins break so don't have much time to enjoy anything. I bought a food flask (which is fab) and had been taking my soups in but then got bored of them!

I want go for my first run today - only very easy but my head is so foggy from being up every hour of the night, I'm finding it hard to get over the door step. I am determined though so think I will go
After lunch. It's a lovely day here so no excuse!

Just need to eat something decent to keep me going.

No food = no calories, soup only = inadequate calories and probably carbs only. Of course you can eat something in fifteen minutes, people eat in their tea breaks all the time! Otherwise write to your manager and ask for a proper half hour break, even if that is unpaid. Tell them you are feeling ill and unable to concentrate properly which is affecting your work - hit them where it hurts the business. You might drink calories, do you like milk?

Congratulations on your first run, it absolutely counts if it's a run-walk programme that is the SENSIBLE option that any good fitness professional would advise. In fact there is a system for serious marathoners that is run-walk (Jeff Galloway) so it's not just for beginners. :j

sophlowe45 wrote: »

It is hard not to have self esteem issues is our society. There is so much pressure to be good looking, fashionable, all of which requires lots of money, to be confident, to be good at networking, to be talented in some field you can work in. Everytime I go out to try to make friends, I see people who are talented in different fields doing so well in their careers. Its impossible for me to keep up, so I stay at home, avoid people, eat crap and end up exhausted with the 20 minute walk to the tube station.

I have not even started my day by the time I reach the tube station but I am out of breath and and feel shaky. Then changing tube lines, there are so many stairs, I feel like I am going to pass out but you have to keep going. How do millions manage it every day?

This month my period has been much heavier, does that mean that any dietary improvements that have increased my iron levels just got wasted?

Thanks again Firefox, turns out there is nothing wrong with my cooking skills, my friend didn't even want to eat, but as it was so delicious she ended up having some. It is just that flats I see friends live in and ones I have lived in are electricity only. I think my cooking is crap because I think I am crap at everything.

You sound stressed as well as low mood. (((hugs))) Everyone else is NOT coping fine, mental health problems are rife in our society. Plenty of people probably think YOU are coping and are confident, you likely hide it well. One of the best things I ever did for myself was to realise I don't want or need a 'career' I want/ need a vocation, to have colleagues or clients I like and a job that I enjoy even if it's minimum wage. I work part time around my health issues, live on a shoestring and I can do that because I relocated north. I don't need to measure my self worth by income but by how I feel and how I make others feel, none of my friends measure me that way either and who gives a rat's @rse what strangers think?

No improvements to your diet are ever wasted. But if you had low iron you may need more than just an improved diet to catch up, did your doctor advise a supplement? What are you eating for haem iron? Organ meats are an amazing source if you can stomach them. I surprised myself enjoying (!) some lightly pan fried chicken livers last week (with avocado, bacon, garlic, balsamic vinegar and other stuff) but normally I hide liver in vats of Bolognese sauce. In fact I am going to eat liver today now I have thought about it. :rotfl:

Fire_Fox

oopsadaisydoddle wrote: »

Ah yes I see - I always thought that the oats were low gi so that is why I had been making them.

Do you have a recipe for the frittata in muffin cases. No worries if you don't, I can google. I have made crustless quiches before (aka SW quiche!!)

Jumbo oats are lower GI than some carbs, but unless you moderate servings and add protein and healthy fats they are not super low. The lowest are beans, lentils and barley.

Recipes here http://www.marmaladeandmileposts.com/archives/category/food/sane/breakfasts

Sorry but excess dietary fat absolutely is converted to bodyfat, as is excess carbs as can excess protein. There are differences with different types of fat and different types of carbs. Saturated animal fats are relatively easily converted because they are similar in structure to our own fat, other fats such as those in coconut oil and oily fish seem to be preferentially burned as energy (research is ongoing).

oopsadaisydoddle

Thanks again Fire Fox!

Unfortunately I cannot drink milk unless it's in tea of coffee! It makes me feel sick. Have never been able to stomach it since primary school when we used to get it and it was warm!

I'm also a bit funny about meat - again the thought of the liver etc makes me want to heave. I have to be very careful with the meat I eat. I have no issues with fish though so this is going to be my way to go.

Are tinned sardines in tom juice ok in general? I was thinking for lunch or a weekend breaky.

oopsadaisydoddle

Thanks for the link. They look like great recipes and easy too!

Fire_Fox

oopsadaisydoddle wrote: »

I'm also a bit funny about meat - again the thought of the liver etc makes me want to heave. I have to be very careful with the meat I eat. I have no issues with fish though so this is going to be my way to go.

Are tinned sardines in tom juice ok in general? I was thinking for lunch or a weekend breaky.

Yes canned oily fish including sardines is great, pilchards and mackerel in the large cans are particularly cheap and so convenient. :T I'm working on eating fish or seafood daily at present, just so healthy and I do enjoy some. I have some sprats in the freezer that I must brave. I was SUPER fussy as a child and younger adult, it's taken work to get where I am today.

It's up to you but it's surprising what you can get used to handling. I gagged the first time I opened a can of pink salmon having not eaten fish for years, now can eat all sorts canned and fresh. I just had a teeny tiny portion at first and told myself it was fine to only have one bite. When I had the chicken livers the other day I did likewise, mini serving with loads of other foods on the plate and promised myself I didn't have to eat more than one bite.

Bolognese is even better, cut liver up really small and you cannot tell it is there whatsoever. It's actually a traditional ingredient in some regions to add a rich flavour. I use it because it is healthy and cheap so good for stretching the mince! I don't eat my Bolognese the first day, usually leave the flavours to meld, so I've forgotten any grossness of liver by the time I eat it but TBH the more I handle it the less I care.

If you have ever eaten homemade or store pate you have eaten liver, homemade is a million times nicer tho. I cannot deal with kidney having cut it up for my last cat, stinks of men's toilets _pale_ but I figure one sort of organ meat is better than none. I am going to have duck liver next, eep.

oopsadaisydoddle

I do love some pate! And i don't actually mind the taste of liver but I suppose I just associate it with yuky school dinners! I had a bad experience at school with ham and fat - I actually choked and the dinnerladies had to smack me on the back. Probably wasn't as bad as i remember but that is what has made me so picky with meat. If i get so much as an inkling of fat I hurl!

Good luck with the duck liver - bet it's very rich and tasty!

daska

Fire_Fox wrote: »

Jumbo oats are lower GI than some carbs, but unless you moderate servings and add protein and healthy fats they are not super low. The lowest are beans, lentils and barley.

Recipes here http://www.marmaladeandmileposts.com/archives/category/food/sane/breakfasts

Sorry but excess dietary fat absolutely is converted to bodyfat, as is excess carbs as can excess protein. There are differences with different types of fat and different types of carbs. Saturated animal fats are relatively easily converted because they are similar in structure to our own fat, other fats such as those in coconut oil and oily fish seem to be preferentially burned as energy (research is ongoing).

Sorry, yes, I was being simplistic.