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grizzly1911

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Has she been offered a two finger kitkat yet?

That was the bonus for putting extra hours in from another hospital a few months back....made the news

Meanwhile, the directors had a bonus of a dinner....at £180 a head!

I used to play squash with a consultant 20 years ago, he would have been late 40s at the time.

he was a cracking chap really good at his job, very well regarded.

He said at the time that the haert and soul had been ripped out during his career and the fun"fun" /camaraderie had been remove back then.

The cover your back in case we get sued, financial constraints and constant change with, no discernible benefit, have only made that position worse.

Jennifer_Jane

ILW wrote: »

And apparently it is absolutely nobodies fault or responsibility.

Did anyone see "Newsnight" last night? There was Gerry Robinson (who was asked by a TV station some years ago to see what was wrong with the NHS); Julie Bailey the woman who has been pushing all this and whose pushing resulted in the Francis Report; a woman from the College of Nurses; and someone else who I thought was pretty good, but don't know who she was.

Julie Bailey said that she opened her e-mails to see hundreds of e-mails with all these anecdotes; she said she could name wards and it was happening all over.

The woman from the College of Nurses kept saying that they were not watchdogs.

It seemed to me that everyone's eyes had glazed over and they were just not assimilating the problems, let alone the horror.

It's all heartbreaking, and I hope that Anne Clwyd can bring some fire and brimstone to the next step of the Francis report.

Thrugelmir

Cornucopia wrote: »

the essential one being service users.

The public also has to use the service properly. A&E at night is often full of people who could see a doctor in the morning or go to a walk in centre.

MacMickster

For too long now, effiency has been measured in terms of cost rather than oucomes. Those who can talk a good job are valued more highly than those who quietly get on and do a good job. Managers are brought in who have never done the job and have no idea of what the job actually entails. Unsurprisingly, they decide that the job is about ticking boxes to gain accreditation as the best thing since sliced bread.

I agree that the NHS needs to get back to basics. Its purpose is to protect the health of the nation. It should not have to deal with elective and cosmetic procedures which are frankly costly and unnecessary.

We need the Hattie Jacques style matron back in charge of our wards, visiting times to be limited so that staff can get on with their jobs, and whistleblowers to be taken seriously every time.

ruggedtoast

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The public also has to use the service properly. A&E at night is often full of people who could see a doctor in the morning or go to a walk in centre.

I used to live in NW London and went to the A&E once late one night when our kid was just a few months old with breathing difficulties. There must have been 2 hundred or more people in the waiting room and I don't think I heard a single word of English being spoken.

Illegals can't register with a GP so inevitably clog up hospitals. It was the first time I remember feeling annoyed that people who aren't paying in were stopping me accessing a service I've paid tax for for years, although they did prioritise us right away and we were seen well before the other families lining up for their free emergency aspirins and inhalers and cough medicine.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

I used to live in NW London and went to the A&E once late one night when our kid was just a few months old with breathing difficulties. There must have been 2 hundred or more people in the waiting room and I don't think I heard a single word of English being spoken.

Illegals can't register with a GP so inevitably clog up hospitals. It was the first time I remember feeling annoyed that people who aren't paying in were stopping me accessing a service I've paid tax for for years, although they did prioritise us right away and we were seen well before the other families lining up for their free emergency aspirins and inhalers and cough medicine.

I heard a story the other day. A woman was complaining that her child had a temperature. So rushed him to A&E. Had a 3 hour wait.
Then the child was only given calpol.

I pointed out that A&E's do not normally have a trained paedratric doctor on duty at night. So one has to be called down from the wards. So therefore they respond to emergencies first.

She was still most aggrieved. No pleasing some people.

chewmylegoff

Conrad wrote: »

PREDICTION> these horror stories will not end until staff are made personally liable. It worked in the financial advice arena!

really? are you suggesting that the standard of financial advice has materially improved as a result of regulatory action?!

chewmylegoff

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The public also has to use the service properly. A&E at night is often full of people who could see a doctor in the morning or go to a walk in centre.

this is why we need to either (i) start charging people [before they are seen by a doctor/nurse] a nominal fee for things like non-emergency hospital treatment. even a tenner would stop it or (ii) be far more aggressive about turning people away from a&e when they obviously don't need it.

i've been in a&e a couple of times and was baffled by some of the people who where there; i was also quite surprised that they had been let into a&e rather than told to go away and stop wasting everyone's time. i guess a lot of the problem is the insufficient psych/mental illness services which result in the mentally ill being repeatedly treated in a&e and becoming a burden there because there is no attempt to treat them properly.

Generali

The NHS has become massively bloated under the weight of expectations: the NHS was not meant to deal with sniffles. As it's there and free then why would you go out and buy a pack of Lemsip when you can get it for nothing?

Combine that with a complete lack of responsibility for NHS staff and managers (that bloke in T Wells kept his job!) and a electorate that is only interested in how great the NHS nurses and Doctors are, if only for the evil bureaucrats, then the system can never work.

Of course the reason the NHS is bloated with bureaucrats is because it's so massively unwieldy!

A._Badger

To be fair, part of the reason so many people go to A&E seeking treatment for minor conditions is because our GP service has deteriorated markedly in recent years.

It's no excuse - but you can't look at one half of the health service problem without tackling the other.