Yoof need a reality check

dryhat

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Of course your second example is grammatically incorrect ("...given to John and I"). Yes, of course.

I am unaware of the grammatical rules concerning the first example: it is just better manners to put yourself second.

This isn't the "Me" vs "I" argument. It is simply that I was taught (at my secondary modern) to always put myself last. It's interesting that you didn't appear to see that that was the point.

It might be considered better manners to put yourself second but saying "The money was given to John and me" - while acceptable- doesn't sound as fluent as "The money was given to me and John"


The rules governing the first example is to take the "and other person" out of the sentence and then see if it still makes sense.

bryanb

Language develops! (Changes) As thou should be aware. Or should that be thee?

GeorgeHowell

moneyinmypocket wrote: »

I was talking to some yoof about life and I have come to the conclusion that they don't live in real world. For example they go to school (which is sooo much eaiser than it used to be), go onto uni (which again is not what it used to be) then expect to have latest gadgets, beer money, holidays abroad - I honestly don't think the yoof can handle modern day life, they don't have the hard graft that the boomers had.

Don't forget the gap year. There has to be the gap year between school and university, in order to waste a portion of their lives bumming around dumps like Thailand and Bali.

dryhat

bryanb wrote: »

Language develops! (Changes) As thou should be aware. Or should that be thee?

Definitely thou.

Dave101t

saw an item on the alevels last week. they are thinking of re-introducing the old ones. they had a stat. under the old system, MORE people got a higher grade than the supposedly 'watered down, easier' new a levels. but the new alevel was supposed to make it easier for more people to higher grades. but it went opposite, so what was the point? how to fix it? maybe introduce an 'even worse' as level! werent as levels labour?

LittleVoice

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

My own personal gripe(s) about anyone younger than myself:

2. No table manners: (you should, ideally) hold knife like a pen;

I hope you are saying that the gripe is against those holding a knife like a pen. When dining a knife is held like a knife (or a piece of chalk if you can remember writing on a blackboard), not a pen. The end of the knife handle rests in the palm of the hand.

Duke203

moneyinmypocket wrote: »

...school (which is sooo much eaiser than it used to be)...uni (which again is not what it used to be)

It's a shame that it's the adults (teachers, exam boards, government) that make it so much easier.

moneyinmypocket wrote: »

then expect to have latest gadgets, beer money, holidays abroad

Absolutely. If they didn't have an iPhone, they can have a 3 bed terrace on a milkman's wage. Pure laziness.

thescouselander

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

My own personal gripe(s) about anyone younger than myself:

1. It's "Different From" not "Different To" (actually my Father's pet gripe).
2. No table manners: (you should, ideally) hold knife like a pen; put down knife and fork whilst chewing food, not waving everything around in the air; only use knife as a cutting tool, not a pushing tool (I don't do that at home though).
3. Stand up straight, shoulders down and back, head in the air.
4. It's not "Me and ... " did something. It's "John and I". Put yourself second in the sentence.

No, I'm not Victorian, I was born 46 years after she died - but I'm sure people would be happier if they at least walked upright.

Good grief! If you're going to be so judgmental about how someone holds a knife and fork there's really nothing down for you. I suppose you must chew your food 28 times which would explain how you have the time to put your cutlery down whilst masticating. Good for you if you have the time but, for most of us, not a practical way to eat dinner.

GeorgeHowell

LittleVoice wrote: »

I hope you are saying that the gripe is against those holding a knife like a pen. When dining a knife is held like a knife (or a piece of chalk if you can remember writing on a blackboard), not a pen. The end of the knife handle rests in the palm of the hand.

It's also annoying when people write holding the pen like a chisel.

mintedmatty

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

Don't forget the gap year. There has to be the gap year between school and university, in order to waste a portion of their lives bumming around dumps like Thailand and Bali.

Disagree with that totally, there is mis-conception that young adults travelling round South East Asia on gap years are all kids who have rich daddys and have been fed with a silver spoon! Yes, there will always be those who come from more privileged back grounds but for everyone of those you will meet 5-6 working class boys/girls who are experiencing a totally different world and on a strict budget of £30-£50 per week to live off for 6-12 months.

The vast majority of people I met whilst travelling said they had grown up so much, and appreciated how lucky they were seeing the state of some living conditions of people the same age in places like Vietnam and Thailand. You begin to appreciate what you have.

For the record, I didn't go travelling when I had the chance in my late teens -early 20's and regretted in bitterly, I bought a house instead. In 2010 upon getting engaged to the missus I had an Auntie who was suffering from cancer and she knew wouldn't see me get married, she gave us some money and said she wanted to see us enjoy using that money before she passed away so at 29 the Missus and myself went travelling to Vietnam & Thailand.

What can I say apart from what an experience! beautiful sights, amazing down to earth people who look out for each other. I met people from all walks of life, american middle-aged teachers based in East Timor, 2 Dutch people who we shared a train cabin with, An american vietnam war veteran who just couldn't find peace back in the USA so settled in Da Nang, Vietnam. I could go on and on......Hundreds of kind caring people who I have shared a second of my life with but left an imprint forever. For anyone who has seen Ha Long Bay at dawn with a cloudless sky will know the feeling that you never forget.

I have memories that will last forever and I have had a bounce in my step since, that is over 2 years ago. I appreciate life so much more for what I have seen 5,000 miles away. Sometimes we pick holes in the younger generation as a stereotype, but they aren't all bad, far from it in my experience. There will always be a minority in any walk of life who don't appreciate what they have bit the the vast majority of people travelling if they experienced what I experienced, they will return from their travels better human beings.