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Yoof need a reality check
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mintedmatty wrote: »Disagree with that totally, there is mis-conception that young adults travelling round South East Asia on gap years are all kids who have rich daddys and have been fed with a silver spoon! Yes, there will always be those who come from more privileged back grounds but for everyone of those you will meet 5-6 working class boys/girls who are experiencing a totally different world and on a strict budget of £30-£50 per week to live off for 6-12 months.
The vast majority of people I met whilst travelling said they had grown up so much, and appreciated how lucky they were seeing the state of some living conditions of people the same age in places like Vietnam and Thailand. You begin to appreciate what you have.
For the record, I didn't go travelling when I had the chance in my late teens -early 20's and regretted in bitterly, I bought a house instead. In 2010 upon getting engaged to the missus I had an Auntie who was suffering from cancer and she knew wouldn't see me get married, she gave us some money and said she wanted to see us enjoy using that money before she passed away so at 29 the Missus and myself went travelling to Vietnam & Thailand.
What can I say apart from what an experience! beautiful sights, amazing down to earth people who look out for each other. I met people from all walks of life, american middle-aged teachers based in East Timor, 2 Dutch people who we shared a train cabin with, An american vietnam war veteran who just couldn't find peace back in the USA so settled in Da Nang, Vietnam. I could go on and on......Hundreds of kind caring people who I have shared a second of my life with but left an imprint forever. For anyone who has seen Ha Long Bay at dawn with a cloudless sky will know the feeling that you never forget.
I have memories that will last forever and I have had a bounce in my step since, that is over 2 years ago. I appreciate life so much more for what I have seen 5,000 miles away. Sometimes we pick holes in the younger generation as a stereotype, but they aren't all bad, far from it in my experience. There will always be a minority in any walk of life who don't appreciate what they have bit the the vast majority of people travelling if they experienced what I experienced, they will return from their travels better human beings.
You made the right decision buying the house. You then went on an extended holiday, not a gap year. With today's employment market being so competitive, student loans, and inflated house deposit requirements the priority should be getting into work as soon as possible. Seeing how the other half live in south east Asia is all very well, but no substitute for getting on the employment and housing ladders. There will be a few spoilt and/or rich kids who will get to do it regardless but that does mean those of more modest means have to treat it as important.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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GeorgeHowell wrote: »You made the right decision buying the house. You then went on an extended holiday, not a gap year. With today's employment market being so competitive, student loans, and inflated house deposit requirements the priority should be getting into work as soon as possible. Seeing how the other half live in south east Asia is all very well, but no substitute for getting on the employment and housing ladders. There will be a few spoilt and/or rich kids who will get to do it regardless but that does mean those of more modest means have to treat it as important.
As long as they don't come back and sponge of the state does it matter what they do with their lives?"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »You made the right decision buying the house. You then went on an extended holiday, not a gap year. With today's employment market being so competitive, student loans, and inflated house deposit requirements the priority should be getting into work as soon as possible. Seeing how the other half live in south east Asia is all very well, but no substitute for getting on the employment and housing ladders. There will be a few spoilt and/or rich kids who will get to do it regardless but that does mean those of more modest means have to treat it as important.
Okay, I can see that point, but if jobs are hard to come by anyway, harder than ever to get on the housing ladder, potential retirement in late 70's...what difference does 6-12 months make? I agree, no point getting into debt doing it (same with anything) but most people travelling have to do some form of saving up, extra casual work to afford it etc. I am all for working hard, studying and grafting for a living, taking responsibility for yourself but at the same time life is to be lived.Millionaire in Training
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grizzly1911 wrote: »As long as they don't come back and sponge of the state does it matter what they do with their lives?
I'm agreeing with the OPs view that in some ways many "yoof" cannot deal with modern life, with a sense of reality. That's not healthy for society on a number of levels, one of which may turn out to be increased state dependency. So yes it does matter.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
mintedmatty wrote: »Okay, I can see that point, but if jobs are hard to come by anyway, harder than ever to get on the housing ladder, potential retirement in late 70's...what difference does 6-12 months make? I agree, no point getting into debt doing it (same with anything) but most people travelling have to do some form of saving up, extra casual work to afford it etc. I am all for working hard, studying and grafting for a living, taking responsibility for yourself but at the same time life is to be lived.
My view is that whatever it costs could be put to better use, and that bumming around is not ideal preparation for work seeking and career building. Not everyone agrees, some think it's all mind-broadening, and perspective-enhancing etc but I don't see it that way. It just a postponement of having to join the real world.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
LittleVoice wrote: »I hope you are saying that the gripe is against those holding a knife like a pen. When dining a knife is held like a knife (or a piece of chalk if you can remember writing on a blackboard), not a pen. The end of the knife handle rests in the palm of the hand.
Yes indeed, missed out the "not". Thanks for the correction, absolutely correct.0 -
thescouselander wrote: »Good grief! If you're going to be so judgmental about how someone holds a knife and fork there's really nothing down for you. I suppose you must chew your food 28 times which would explain how you have the time to put your cutlery down whilst masticating. Good for you if you have the time but, for most of us, not a practical way to eat dinner.
As it happens I tend not to chew my food 28 times, although I am aware it would be better for me to do so. I don't, however, understand your phrase "There's really nothing down for you". I've never heard that before.
But I do understand that it's meant to be insulting, and is therefore, judgmental in itself. As is the sarcasm. I have only said that these are some of my personal gripes, and it was less the holding of the knife than the waving around of cutlery. Of course, if you are uninterested in having good table manners, that's your affair. As I said, they are my personal gripes.
I wasn't being personal to anyone specifically, so why are you being personal to me.0 -
It might be considered better manners to put yourself second but saying "The money was given to John and me" - while acceptable- doesn't sound as fluent as "The money was given to me and John"
The rules governing the first example is to take the "and other person" out of the sentence and then see if it still makes sense.
Yes, exactly - so that if people are now saying "Me and John...." they tend to say "Me and John are going to the park". If we say "John and I are going to the park" it sounds better (and is grammatically correct").
To my unmusical ear it sounds no different to say "The money was given to John and me" - as "The money was given to me and John".
Oh and another gripe is pronouncing "aitch" as "haitch".0 -
Jennifer_Jane wrote: »I don't, however, understand your phrase "There's really nothing down for you". I've never heard that before.
Perhaps it goes hand in hand with : "Alright, alright, calm down.", being "made up" , and avoiding " 'de bizzies" ?
A "practical way to eat dinner", is with fingers, out of polystyrene boxes, sitting on the floor in front of the tele. I am reliably informed that this is de rigeur in some households. No need for table manners -- no table.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »I'm agreeing with the OPs view that in some ways many "yoof" cannot deal with modern life, with a sense of reality. That's not healthy for society on a number of levels, one of which may turn out to be increased state dependency. So yes it does matter.
I did say "not sponge off".
Who knows maybe they come back and become a lead design engineer for Jaguar Land Rover or BAE, contribute to massive exports and live happy ever after. Just a thought.
I don't disagree with you underlying train of thought re the OP BTW.;)"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0
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