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We WILL get an EU referendum
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Graham_Devon wrote: »Hehe, you REALLY hate the idea of democracy playing out, don't you! Basically, after being so pro tory before the coalition took power, you've turned around and stated that basically you won't vote for them again, as they are offering the people a say.
I've yet to hear any pro-European person speak in favour of referendums. They all seem to loathe them.
Can't imagine why...0 -
What are you saying ?
That the Tories are the only vote to cast for a referendum ?
or that a referendum without knowing the wording to be used ,will be a sign of democracy in action and working ?
It's more democratic that labour stating it's not in the nations interest to offer the nation a voice.
Although seething about the fact the nation may have a choice and the insults are flowing fluidly, even Guardian readers can see the problem with campaigning against a democratic choice and one which labour themselves have too promised.0 -
"If you act like an illiterate man, your learning will never stop... Being uneducated, you have no fear of the future.".....
"big business is parasitic, like a mosquito, whereas I prefer the lighter touch, like that of a butterfly. "A butterfly can suck honey from the flower without damaging it," "Arunachalam Muruganantham0 -
I know the Conservatives have internal issues but to endanger the future of this nation with such a ridiculous stunt to solve their divisions will discredit his party.
Any fair vote should incliude the option of the status quo and of greater integration into the EU. I do not favour the latter, but to exclude these options is shameful as are the Lib Dems if they continue to participate in this charade of a coalition.
The "in" option includes no explanation of what people are voting for. It seems to say leave the EU or support whatever we can agree. Of course it works both ways. Labour and Lib Dems could offer a status quo option and support such a vague question as "whatever we can agree" too and interpret it as something different.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »What, and find yourself a small country, struggling to join the EU club?! After all you have said about the SNP!?
LOL, knock yerself out. You do amuse me Hamish.
A vote for the SNP does not = a vote for independence.
The Scottish referendum will be held, and lost by the SNP, before the next general election.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
I know the Conservatives have internal issues but to endanger the future of this nation with such a ridiculous stunt to solve their divisions will discredit his party.
Any fair vote should incliude the option of the status quo and of greater integration into the EU. I do not favour the latter, but to exclude these options is shameful as are the Lib Dems if they continue to participate in this charade of a coalition.
The "in" option includes no explanation of what people are voting for. It seems to say leave the EU or support whatever we can agree. Of course it works both ways. Labour and Lib Dems could offer a status quo option and support such a vague question as "whatever we can agree" too and interpret it as something different.
But we have no say on greater or lesser integration, so what would be the point in offering that choice?
It is what is is. Cameron is suggesting he will try to get a renegotiation, but absolutely everyone has so far denied that. The rest of the EU doesn't want it. it's not in their interests. They don't get anything from it, they just lose.
I guess the only thing that might force a renegotiation is the real threat of leaving altogether.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »But we have no say on greater or lesser integration, so what would be the point in offering that choice?
Eh?
How do you figure that then?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »It's more democratic that labour stating it's not in the nations interest to offer the nation a voice.
Although seething about the fact the nation may have a choice and the insults are flowing fluidly, even Guardian readers can see the problem with campaigning against a democratic choice and one which labour themselves have too promised.
So for both parties to favour the decision of a parliamentary democracy for ever and a day is OK.
Then when I right wing party comes along with a single main agenda to remove us from the union ..For suddenly the main right wing party to decide that suddenly only a referendum is democratic says more about the panic in the ranks of the Tories than it does about Cameron's new found view that Vox populi is now the only true democracy0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »No.
I won't vote for them again because they are staggeringly incompetent.
So incompetent that key ministers tend to stay in place unlike the Labour merry go round (recall The Home Office as but one example).
All that hated spin pretty much gone, exactly as people on QT week in week out pleaded for under Nu Lab.
Adoption in much better state.
Unannounced care home visits.
Truly empassioned leadership in education.
Highest inward investment in Europe.
Rapid increases in employment.
Best exports to world o/s Europe in history - AT LONG LAST
Buinsess focus in Embassys
Markets charging us low interest rates
Honestly you must filter out all this progress Hamish.0
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