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We WILL get an EU referendum
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Posh boy Dave has already said UKIP is populated by racists....accepting that do you really think he could credibly go into an alliance with them? and if he did what would that say about him?I think UKIP are the wildcard in all this. At the moment the Tories and UKIP are snubbing each other but if they agreed to join the Tories in a coalition presumably we could see a similar situation to now (except more right-leaning). This is not so incomprehensible as apparently UKIP are now more popular than the Lib Dems and the party that is taking so many ex-Tories.0 -
Excellent and clear post!HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »No, but they can and should campaign on the basis of the following:
1) Committing to a referendum 5 years in the future is a dangerous mistake, it creates business uncertainty and risks inward investment and jobs for the next 5 years.
2) The French are already rolling out the red carpet for companies looking to locate in Europe on the back of Mr Cameron's announcement yesterday, it won't be long before other European nations do the same, and what business is going to locate their European base in the UK when we might not even be a member 5 years from now?
3) We would prefer to work with our partners in Europe from the inside, from a position of mutual respect and with a seat around the table to protect British interests.0 -
Point taken Stevie...but I think Posh Dave did see the preparatory legislation planned will be put in their manifesto for the next election. That of course will be heavily scrutinised by all sides!He has been a bit smarter than that in attempting to deceive the British population, no negotiations until after the next election.0 -
Elections every 4 or 5 years are dangers mistakes, they create business uncertainty and risks inward investment and jobs.
Labour should publicly declare it won't contest the next few elections to give certainty to the business community and is anyway in line with EU democratic principles.0 -
Elections every 4 or 5 years are dangers mistakes, they create business uncertainty and risks inward investment and jobs.
You seem to consider foreign firms investing in Britain because they want to sell to the world's largest consumer market (the EU) as a negligible economic factor? We receive this type of foreign direct investment because the UK is the place in the EU where is is easiest to set-up and cheapest to fire staff. But if our EU membership is uncertain these funds and associated jobs will find their way to Poland, Czech Republic, Spain or elsewhere. Our old enemy across the channel (that is France, to avoid confusion) is already rolling out the red carpet.0 -
The two things are not like for like comparisons surely?Elections every 4 or 5 years are dangers mistakes, they create business uncertainty and risks inward investment and jobs.
Labour should publicly declare it won't contest the next few elections to give certainty to the business community and is anyway in line with EU democratic principles.0 -
You seem to consider foreign firms investing in Britain because they want to sell to the world's largest consumer market (the EU) as a negligible economic factor? We receive this type of foreign direct investment because the UK is the place in the EU where is is easiest to set-up and cheapest to fire staff. But if our EU membership is uncertain these funds and associated jobs will find their way to Poland, Czech Republic, Spain or elsewhere. Our old enemy across the channel (that is France, to avoid confusion) is already rolling out the red carpet.
No I don't think the inward investment issue is a negligible factor in deciding whether or not we must stay in the EU. However the overall cost is a very important factor too.
It's very difficult to assess how much weight a business gives to our EU membership espeically as we don't know what T&Cs will apply in 5 years time whether or not we stay in.
The important point is that businesses will look at a wide variety of factors in making their investment decisions.
It seems to me that we are very very likely to have a close working relationship with whatever constitutes the EU and/or Eurozone in 5/7 years time as this will be in both our and the EU economic interest.
And since you mention our 'old enemy', I am reading a very interesting book by the Tombs called 'That Sweet Enemy'. The bit on the 18th century is particularly interesting.
France had very advantage; bigger country, bigger and richer population, bigger gdp, aliases with Spain and Austro-Hungarian empire, bigger army etc etc.
But they were burdened with a unwieldy and expensive and unresponsive bureacracy etc and in spite of 'ticking' all the boxes it all ended in the Terror and defeat.0 -
The two things are not like for like comparisons surely?
no indeed they are not.
but it's my way of saying the life in full of uncertainty and that we have to live with it.
the certainty of Soviet Union or hardline mad China, Yugoslavia, socialist India etc are now in the past and their pasing is largly unregretted.0 -
LOL A referendum is the gle holding them together. They are united by the strength of the glue. He is already trying defend this "marvellous" policy. Nobody but his party is listening.
That's exactly the Labour party line and it's nonsense. It was public opinion as evidenced by UKIP's surge that drove it as much as anything happening in the Tory party. There is a clear poll majority for coming out of the Eu.
As things stand people who vote Labour at the next election are consigning themselves to the prospect of being drawn into the federal superstate, irrevocably, because it is "in the national interests" with no referendum "not in the national interests", and with nothing they can do about it. That realisation may divert a lot of Labour voters to UKIP, or to staying at home.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
Posh boy Dave has already said UKIP is populated by racists....accepting that do you really think he could credibly go into an alliance with them? and if he did what would that say about him?
Just out of curiosity, do you not feel just the tiniest bit stupid calling Cameron "Posh boy Dave" when Miliband lives in a £2million+ house & him & his partner earn more than a quarter of a million a year between them? Hardly one of the common people is he.
As far as I can see the only difference between the two of them posh-wise is that Cameron doesn't try to hide it wheras Miliband pretends to represent "hardworking families".
Don't expect to see Miliband moving into a nice little 2-bed semi in Hackney anytime soon.0
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