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We WILL get an EU referendum
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They've got a golden opportunity to wrong-foot Cameron by offering some minor concessions. If they're clever, they'll paint Cameron into a corner and then, nearer the election, they'll concoct a pact with Labour that Cameron can't accept.
But there's nothing they can now offer Cameron to stop the referendum.
And there's nothing they can now offer that will induce any Eurosceptic MP to do a total U-turn and campaign for a Yes vote. The sort of deal that might have got some Tories to pipe down a bit is no longer a useful option.
They won't negotiate seriously with Cameron because there's now nothing he can actually deliver. There's no realistic scenario in which he can even deliver his own party.
We'll see.
All I'm seeing is a lot of people saying the same thing, but being caught out whenever a development takes place.
It was only 24 hours ago people were stating how stupid he was and they won't negotiate. They are now willing ot negotiate. So my personal view is one the labour party are keen on right now....never say never.
Either way, what we have now is MUCH better than what we had 48 hours ago within the EU.0 -
Is it true that the UK is Germanies largest export market?
If so I would have thought it unikely that Merkel would wish to damage trading links between Germany and the UK.
And Germany basically own the EU anyway.
I suspect the UK has more clout than many of the Europhiles like to admit to.0 -
They've got a golden opportunity to wrong-foot Cameron by offering some minor concessions. If they're clever, they'll paint Cameron into a corner and then, nearer the election, they'll concoct a pact with Labour that Cameron can't accept.
But there's nothing they can now offer Cameron to stop the referendum.
And there's nothing they can now offer that will induce any Eurosceptic MP to do a total U-turn and campaign for a Yes vote. The sort of deal that might have got some Tories to pipe down a bit is no longer a useful option.
They won't negotiate seriously with Cameron because there's now nothing he can actually deliver. There's no realistic scenario in which he can even deliver his own party.
Utter claptrap.
For a start if Cameron is a majority PM after 2015 the referendum will happen, nothing will stop it short of war or asteroid strike.
Secondly why would Labour cosying up to the EU and vice-versa be likely to have any effect on what is now clearly a Euro-sceptic public ? Cameron did not do this just to placate his back bench, he did it because of public opinion, as evidenced by UKIP's showing.
Some MPs will never support a yes vote. So what ? If the negotiation results in a referendum yes vote they will have to like it or lump it.
The open issue is whether Labour panics some time between now and 2015 and offers a referendum in some guise. The other open issue is that if they do, given their past track record, will anyone believe it.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
Is it true that the UK is Germanies largest export market?
If so I would have thought it unikely that Merkel would wish to damage trading links between Germany and the UK.
And Germany basically own the EU anyway.
I suspect the UK has more clout than many of the Europhiles like to admit to.
Yes, it is.
Which is why all this trade stuff and scare stories about the lack of trading if we came out of the EU is complete and utter nonsense. Why would Germany shoot itself in both feet if we left the EU and make everything more expensive for themselves?
Yet another scare story that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Feel free to do a google search yourself.
Many kids think their Daddy is the world's strongest man, doesn't mean that he is. Supplying random quotes from obscure people (in obscure publications) has the same amount of gravitas.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »Who is going to be filling in polls at the moment? Have a think about it.
And in any case, even if it is the disgruntled manically filling in polls....
You have no idea how polling works, do you?0 -
Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »You have no idea how polling works, do you?
Errrr, yes.
Yougov send you an e-mail, stating it's an omnibus poll (attracts no money) and offers you to take the poll.
It's much more likely that those with the inclination to get a point across will spend their own time filling in the poll. This is a well known phenomina. If you have a grievance, you are much more likely to spend time on it.
Hence why mid term polling never matches the reality of a general election. All those who simply couldn't be bothered giving their opinion each week go out and vote, and the polls don't match the votes.0 -
Mr._Pricklepants wrote: »You have no idea how polling works, do you?
Shame they don't have a restriction on low IQs for people posting on intenet forums - we'd be saved from the forty odd thousand posts by the resident literary diarrheaist, Devon.0 -
gorgeyetsun wrote: »Shame they don't have a restriction on low IQs for people posting on intenet forums - we'd be saved for the forty odd thouand posts from the resident literary diarrheaist, Devon.
If those with low IQs were banned from forums there would be no forums. There are not enough intelligent posters to sustain the industry.No-one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions. He had money as well.
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher0 -
GeorgeHowell wrote: »If those with low IQs were banned from forums there would be no forums. There are not enough intelligent posters to sustain the industry.
Cobblers ya big sh1thead.0
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