We WILL get an EU referendum

ValHaller

Fella wrote: »

Personally I think the European Court of Human Rights nonsense about giving prisoners to vote is disgusting. People who break the law losing the right to vote is straightforward common-sense & clearly correct. To suggest changing this is utter nonsense.

Just one of the endless joke rulings from the European Court of F***ing awful decisions made by morons.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20431995

That is a whole different debate. If you expect people to obey the law you should give them a say in what that law is. That is equally straightforward common sense & clearly correct. And it is disgusting to impose laws on people which they have no say in.

Fortunately you only post here, you don't make legal rulings. Endless joke postings from the European Gallery of F***ing awful posts made by morons tend to make me think that I would rather have the ECHR making legal rulings than have you doing it.

Thrugelmir

Moby wrote: »

I think this post says more about your wishful thinking rather than an objective analysis;)

And the Labour position.

10 minutes after PMQ's. Labour are not ruling out the possibility of holding a referendum.

Punch and Judy politics. Same as attitude towards economic reform.

There's no clear policy.

Fella

Moby wrote: »

I think this post says more about your wishful thinking rather than an objective analysis;)

You've demonstrated before that your thinking is fairly low-powered so I won't worry too much about that. Just because you call yourself Moby, no need to spend your life acting like a !!!!!!.

ValHaller wrote: »

That is a whole different debate. If you expect people to obey the law you should give them a say in what that law is. That is equally straightforward common sense & clearly correct. And it is disgusting to impose laws on people which they have no say in.

Fortunately you only post here, you don't make legal rulings. Endless joke postings from the European Gallery of F***ing awful posts made by morons tend to make me think that I would rather have them making legal rulings than have you doing it.

Lol Internet tough guy. I wonder how you talk to people face to face,. Everyone gets a chance to vote UNLESS they break the law. Is that too tough a concept for you to get your tiny mind around?

ValHaller

Fella wrote: »

You've demonstrated before that your thinking is fairly low-powered so I won't worry too much about that. Just because you call yourself Moby, no need to spend your life acting like a !!!!!!.

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Lol Internet tough guy. I wonder how you talk to people face to face,. Everyone gets a chance to vote UNLESS they break the law. Is that too tough a concept for you to get your tiny mind around?

It seems you lack self awareness.

Moby

Fella wrote: »

You've demonstrated before that your thinking is fairly
low-powered so I won't worry too much about that. Just because you call
yourself Moby, no need to spend your life acting like a !!!!!!.

You worried enough to reply with your considered, thoughtful response which says everything that needs to be said about you!

Lol Internet tough guy. I wonder how you talk to people face to face,.

You mean just like the way you've just spoken to me above? Hypocrite!

nicko33

Fella wrote: »

Everyone gets a chance to vote UNLESS they break the law.

Any law? Like speeding?
Or is it only if you're imprisoned for being found guilty of breaking a law. Not just held on some trumped up anti-terrorism charge.
Or fitted up by the police.
What if you're imprisoned but not charged with any crime?
or subject to a control order?

Can you be more specific?

Moby

....Just thinking I wonder how Farage is going to play this? Is he going to say to posh boy.....David I think you've tried so hard in your negotiations with the Germans and French ....we in UKIP are going to give you the benefit of the doubt! I think not! He's going to spin it for all its worth and say Cameron has come back from Europe with empty promises that mean nothing!.....and then what about the headbangers in his own party are they going to give him the benefit of the doubt?...........Bill Cash is on his back already! Its his purpose in life!

Fella

Moby wrote: »

You worried enough to reply with your considered, thoughtful response which says everything that needs to be said about you!

You mean just like the way you've just spoken to me above? Hypocrite!

Worried? I was laughing as I wrote it.


BTW I'd speak to you EXACTLY the same way face to face. And that's something else you can choose to believe or not.

Fella

nicko33 wrote: »

Any law? Like speeding?
...
Can you be more specific?

To keep it simple, certainly any law that results in custodial sentence.

Moby

Thrugelmir wrote: »

And the Labour position.

10 minutes after PMQ's. Labour are not ruling out the possibility of holding a referendum.

Punch and Judy politics. Same as attitude towards economic reform.

There's no clear policy.

Labour's policy hasn't changed. There will be no referendum unless there are treaty changes being considered. Cameron has changed because of the headbangers in his own party. Milliband just needs to sit back and watch....and see what happens in these so called negotiations with Europe. Its posh boy who has put himself on the line. He has set himself a task of achieving a return of powers against the opposition of the French and Germans etc and what's more he will need to convince his own headbangers that whatever he 'achieves' will be sufficient for them. Meanwhile UKIP will be shouting at him from the sidelines.
Labours support at the next election....and the hope of a working majority will not come from those who are anti Europe. They have no hope of getting back support from UKIP for example. Labour's vote will only grow by those disillusioned by the Lib Dems.... who are also pro Europe! Labour just has to look at what posh boy does and act accordingly. They do not have to come up with a position yet....because the election is still more than two years away!