We WILL get an EU referendum

Thrugelmir

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Further, Angela Merkel has already stated there may be some room for manouvre in the EU.

The UK is Germany's biggest european export market....

Lets start with BMW, Audi, VW, Bosch, Bayer, Siemens, Mercedes, Porsche, Agfa, MAN, Daimler, Braun, Nixdorf, Miele, SAP

Far more concern over there.

vivatifosi

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The UK is Germany's biggest european export market....

Lets start with BMW, Audi, VW, Bosch, Bayer, Siemens, Mercedes, Porsche, Agfa, MAN, Daimler, Braun, Nixdorf, Miele, SAP

Far more concern over there.

It was announced earlier this week that the UK was now Germany's largest trading partner, ahead of both France and the US. So will be interesting to watch (if not a bit scary too).

A._Badger

vivatifosi wrote: »

It was announced earlier this week that the UK was now Germany's largest trading partner, ahead of both France and the US. So will be interesting to watch (if not a bit scary too).

Only for them.

Graham_Devon

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Far more concern over there.

Just puts all the scare stories into perspective for me.

It's been only hours, and negotiating has already have it's way paved by Merkel.

Far call from the tirless and somewhat constant scare stories.

Thrugelmir

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It's been only hours, and negotiating has already have it's way paved by Merkel.

German elections are coming up.

Statement is for domestic consumption not for us.

BobQ

The_White_Horse wrote: »

those on job seekers allowance and those that work in the public sector should not be allowed a vote. or there should be a points system according to how much tax you pay, so that the vote is worth more. why should the vote of someone who earns 250k a year and pays tax on that have their vote count the same as a layabout filth scrounger who just adds cost?

These views are just short of fascism. You may think the views of doctors, nurses, soldiers, firefighters etc count for nothing even if they pay taxes so that you can scrounge child benefits you do not need.

I cannot treat you seriously.

d123

The_White_Horse wrote: »

those on job seekers allowance and those that work in the public sector should not be allowed a vote. or there should be a points system according to how much tax you pay, so that the vote is worth more. why should the vote of someone who earns 250k a year and pays tax on that have their vote count the same as a layabout filth scrounger who just adds cost?

You don't deserve a vote, why don't you wish for a return to the "good old days" when only gentrified landowners could vote?

No woman, no peasants, no Irish, (hell, go the whole hog, no blacks, no Asians, no foreign born) and have to have a least £1 million in the bank and a house in the country before being allowed to vote.

Normal people don't deserve a vote do they? Not even the normal people who have had family who have fought and died for the country?

If your post was serious, it's one of the more disgusting viewpoints on this forum (and that is saying something).

Fella

Personally I think the European Court of Human Rights nonsense about giving prisoners to vote is disgusting. People who break the law losing the right to vote is straightforward common-sense & clearly correct. To suggest changing this is utter nonsense.

Just one of the endless joke rulings from the European Court of F***ing awful decisions made by morons.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20431995

Moby

Fella wrote: »

Yes Labour have been massively wrong-footed by Cameron & are floundering about in a most unattractive way.

Even with everything going against the coalition Miliband was too pathetic to make much of an impact. Stuff like this highlights just what an empty vest he is. Let's hope Labour don't wise up & dump him.

I think this post says more about your wishful thinking rather than an objective analysis;)

Moby

Wookster wrote: »

He has not said conditions on it. He has said clearly that there will be a referendum if he is PM after the next election and that a referendum will be a deal breaker in a coalition agreement.

He could not have been clearer on this.

It does make sense as the folks in Europe have shown time and time again that they will only move under the barrel of a gun (or financial market).

Some are so naive. He's promised a referendum in 5 years after negotiations about a new relationship with Europe. The issue is what will come out of those negotiations? and more explicitly will we believe Cameron's presentation of the deal that he 'gains'?
He has explicitly said that he wants to stay in Europe......so he has an agenda to talk up any deal that he 'achieves'. Will you believe his 'deal'?:rotfl:
He will then apparently campaign 'enthusiastically' with Milliband and Clegg to stay in Europe after this so called deal is achieved?????:rotfl:
Furthermore people want different things from Europe. Will he be trying to repatriate powers that suit business or the general population or the colonel Blimps in his own party?:rotfl:
If the French and Germans don't let him get the 'deal' that he wants or more accurately one that he can sell. Will he then recommend that we leave the EU in any referendum?:rotfl:

If he is forced to recommend that we leave the EU...despite this being against his future hopes.....surely he will be dead as a dodo. Our relationship with Europe will be bitter and angry because he will have failed to achieve his objectives and there will be fallout...make no mistake!:rotfl:

That speech had more holes in it that a sieve. He has left so many hostages to fortune and he has lost control of the agenda. He has made a huge mistake and is now a hostage of the headbangers in his own party. He will now be easier to stereotype as a Colonel Blimp type. It will be interesting to watch this thing develop over the next five years. The sad reality is though is that the political classes will be insulated against the fallout....whereas the rest of us won't be:eek: