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We WILL get an EU referendum

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  • lvader
    lvader Posts: 2,579 Forumite
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    edited 23 January 2013 at 7:50PM
    Any vote that isn't for the Tories is a vote against having a referendum, it's as simple as that.
  • HAMISH_MCTAVISH
    HAMISH_MCTAVISH Posts: 28,592 Forumite
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    GeorgeHowell wrote: »
    The parties that purport to understand and represent ordinary people, nevertheless don't want them to have a say in the matter.

    Probably because they know full well just how ignorant* "ordinary people" can be.















    *Adjective
    Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated
    “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.

    Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
    -- President John F. Kennedy”
  • Thrugelmir
    Thrugelmir Posts: 89,546 Forumite
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    drc wrote: »

    Secondly, he is offering a referendum at the end of 2017 so 5 years away. By that time, much more damage will be done and it will be a case of shutting the door after the horse has bolted.

    Why? Europe is forecast to be in recession in 2013. The mighty German economy is stuttering. So there may well be internal divisions within the EU. As in the national interest is where the electorate will vote as austerity continues to bite. So politicians may find further political and fiscal intergration towards a federal superstate a hard sell.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
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    It may be 'it's the economy stupid'

    so it may all depend upon how the EU is fairing in 2017 and how the UK is fairing (with or without Scotland)
  • Thrugelmir
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    CLAPTON wrote: »

    so it may all depend upon how the EU is fairing in 2017 and how the UK is fairing (with or without Scotland)

    Scotland wants to retain sterling. The UK might say no.

    An interesting debate ahead.........
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    LOL, absolute class.

    Labour have now reversed their position somewhat.

    They are now saying "never say never, however, we are not planning a referendum at the moment" in response to "do you still hold the same position as earlier in question time".

    The damage done to the labour party holding the "we won't give the public a say" appears to be doing too much damage. Now it's only the lib dems who are stating they won't offer one.
  • Graham_Devon
    Graham_Devon Posts: 58,560 Forumite
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    Further, Angela Merkel has already stated there may be some room for manouvre in the EU.
  • vivatifosi
    vivatifosi Posts: 18,746 Forumite
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    Thrugelmir wrote: »
    Scotland wants to retain sterling. The UK might say no.

    An interesting debate ahead.........

    I thought what Scotland said was that it wanted to retain Stirling. Sorry, couldn't resist.
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  • Fella
    Fella Posts: 7,921 Forumite
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    Yes Labour have been massively wrong-footed by Cameron & are floundering about in a most unattractive way.

    Even with everything going against the coalition Miliband was too pathetic to make much of an impact. Stuff like this highlights just what an empty vest he is. Let's hope Labour don't wise up & dump him.
  • Thrugelmir
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    vivatifosi wrote: »
    I thought what Scotland said was that it wanted to retain Stirling. Sorry, couldn't resist.

    The UK could hold on a referendum on the matter. ;)
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