Immigrants & Benefits

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As there is "no link between rising immigration and rising unemployment", what does it matter?

We are all European citizens, and all have the right to live and work anywhere in Europe.

Its working well, so why mess with a good thing?

Because it could be better.

I do not recall when or where I became a citizen of Europe. I certainly never voted for it.

tesuhoha

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Because they evidence shows they don't.

Immigration creates 13 jobs for every one job lost, and it's not even EU immigrants causing the loss of that one job.....

Here's a right of centre source for you, The Telegraph, quoting the what is pretty much the least favourable study on immigration....


http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielknowles/100129096/why-immigrants-arent-taking-british-jobs/

Now I could quote a number of studies which show that in fact, the benefits of immigration are markedly better than that one does, but lets start with that.

Try telling that to my husband who is a plumber. His whole self employed career has consisted of short term contracts and layoffs.

Recently on getting a job on a construction site in London (to which he had to travel some distance) he found that the wages were so poor that he could not afford to work there and everyone else was foreign and willing to work for extremely low wages. These foreign construction workers have driven down the prices because they do not have to worry about the mortgage, council tax, gas safe register and training (the training is paid for by the Government). So yes they have taken British construction workers jobs.

When times are hard they might leave but as soon as there is any work they are back again.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ILW wrote: »

I do not recall when or where I became a citizen of Europe.

I certainly never voted for it.

Perhaps not, but Britain did on 6 June 1975.

When the UK people answered Yes to the following question in a referendum.

"Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community"

We voted YES with a clear majority of 67%.

doughnutmachine

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As there is "no link between rising immigration and rising unemployment", what does it matter?

We are all European citizens, and all have the right to live and work anywhere in Europe.

Its working well, so why mess with a good thing?

why don't you go to the nearest construction site and say that? you really think that hundreds of thousands of east european construction workers has no impact on employment of indigenous construction workers? at the very least you must admit that all these extra workers depress wage levels? or does the supply/ demand equiibrium not effect the marginal rate of labour?

i know someone that got some east europeans to build an extension to his house. they slept in his garden!! you think it right that british workers should be undercut by people that are willing to live like that?

MacMickster

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

We pay our cleaners £10 an hour and still can't get enough of them.

How much more do you want us to pay for an unskilled job?

Or is your typical lefty answer going to be.... "whatever it takes to create an inflationary spiral?"

No. My untypical reply is that employers in the area would need to get creative.

In areas of low unemployment, less people are going to be looking for low-paid part-time work with little prospect of advancement. I presume that you don't offer your cleaners 40 hours per week jobs. To make these jobs more attractive then why not try to combine cleaning duties with other work to make a proper job for some of them. You may find that you then get more applicants, with those who prove most adept in the other duties able to develop careers in those areas.

The alternative is to subcontract cleaners. Each cleaner can have a full time job (if they want it) with their employer, part of which would be spent cleaning for your company.

If people are ambitious and don't want the jobs that you are offering then you need to offer something else rather than praying for unskilled immigrants to descend on the granite city.

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

6 June 1975.

When the UK people answered Yes to the following question in a referendum.

"Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community"

We voted YES with a clear majority of 67%.

Whoaa there Hamish, plenty of us aren't old enough to have voted in that and would like to vote on the matter now.

Furthermore, many now feel duped by that referendum as they were voting for a free market and not a political union (and mass immigration).

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Perhaps not, but Britain did on 6 June 1975.

When the UK people answered Yes to the following question in a referendum.

"Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community"

We voted YES with a clear majority of 67%.

No mention of citizenship at the time(as far as I know). It was presented as a free trade agreement.
Subsequent amendments have never been open to consultation. Hence we may end up with the basic "in - out" option.

doughnutmachine

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As there is "no link between rising immigration and rising unemployment", what does it matter?

We are all European citizens, and all have the right to live and work anywhere in Europe.

Its working well, so why mess with a good thing?

ehhhhmmm we give europe a net 7 billion a year and our fishing grounds and that's a good thing?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

MacMickster wrote: »

I presume that you don't offer your cleaners 40 hours per week jobs. .

You presume wrong.

We offer 40 hours, plus overtime if they want it. We also offer free meals on shift from the staff cafeteria, and transport costs if they have to work unsociable hours.

I could outsource, but it's more like £20 per hour per cleaner.

You really have no idea how mental the jobs market is up here.

I don't know of a single company that doesn't struggle with hiring, no matter how generous they are, or what bribes they offer staff. There simply are not enough employees to go around.

And given that housing is cheaper here than in many parts of the country that have far higher unemployment, yet wages are higher here than most areas even for unskilled jobs, it's mind boggling that so many people complain elsewhere about there being no work but don't have the gumption to get on their bikes to places like Aberdeen where there's too much work and not enough employees.

Going4TheDream

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But as a Scot moving to England, surely that would make me an immigrant?

In that case could I recommend Boston, Slough, Birmingham, Luton, or even Leicester maybe, plenty of immigrants/migrants already there, you would fit in nicely.