Immigrants & Benefits

MacMickster

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I actually cannot get enough employees to fill the current entry level vacancies in our company, and am having to resort to poaching experienced staff from competitors at higher pay rates.

It seems that the people of Aberdeen are far from lazy and workshy. There is virtually no unemployment.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4142376/Aberdeen-is-the-easiest-place-to-find-work-says-new-survey.html

Aberdeen in Scotland emerged as the easiest place to find work, with fewer than one unemployed person — just 0.88 — for every post available.

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4142376/Aberdeen-is-the-easiest-place-to-find-work-says-new-survey.html#ixzz2IR8gf3zu

So you want cheap immigrant Labour, rather than letting the market dictate wages. Where there are more jobs than applicants the power rests with the employee, who can choose the best employers to work for. If you are having problems recruiting then clearly you are not viewed as one of the better employers.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ILW wrote: »

Think that Abu Whatever has just been let out of Belmarsh and is at a bit of a loose end. Great benefit the country he is.

Yeah..... I was thinking more like the vast majority of real immigrants, not the vanishingly small number of crazies.

People like this....

"I came with nothing. Now I employ four people" - Datsa Gaile, 39, Northampton

In seven years I have gone from living in a single room, scouring the country for a job – to editing my own newspaper and employing people. When I came to live in the UK in 2006, a friend and I arranged accommodation and work with an agency in Latvia. But when we arrived in London there was nothing. We thought we would have to stay on the streets. I realised I had to do things for myself. I made a CV and got a job. Then I brought my children to the UK. In 2009 I began studying for a BA in business studies at Northampton. At university, I began a paper for the Latvian community. We print 10,000 copies per month.

"I don't believe I'm taking someone else's job" - Agata Wasziewicz-!!!!!!! Dos Santos, 29, interpreter, Newquay

My husband and I came here in 2008 from Poland. First I worked at Starbucks because I couldn't get work in languages, even though I speak Polish, Portuguese and English. As soon as I changed my email address to a less foreign name, I started getting invited to interviews. I don't believe I'm taking someone else's job, because there aren't many people who speak Polish and Portuguese. I give back to the community, by working in schools and hospitals. My husband owns a martial arts business. He trains other instructors – one of them is an unemployed Brit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-does-not-cause-unemployment-6287404.html

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Anyway, here's more evidence.....


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-does-not-cause-unemployment-6287404.html

Is there a figure based on per capita GDP?

doughnutmachine

I live in the Middle East. Out here the local police just round up the illegal immigrants and deport them. You see pictures in the paper of hundreds of people in a warehouse with plastic handcuffs on waiting for a boat home.

tbh I think that's the way it should be done.

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yeah..... I was thinking more like the vast majority of real immigrants, not the vanishingly small number of crazies.

People like this....

"I came with nothing. Now I employ four people" - Datsa Gaile, 39, Northampton

In seven years I have gone from living in a single room, scouring the country for a job – to editing my own newspaper and employing people. When I came to live in the UK in 2006, a friend and I arranged accommodation and work with an agency in Latvia. But when we arrived in London there was nothing. We thought we would have to stay on the streets. I realised I had to do things for myself. I made a CV and got a job. Then I brought my children to the UK. In 2009 I began studying for a BA in business studies at Northampton. At university, I began a paper for the Latvian community. We print 10,000 copies per month.

"I don't believe I'm taking someone else's job" - Agata Wasziewicz-!!!!!!! Dos Santos, 29, interpreter, Newquay

My husband and I came here in 2008 from Poland. First I worked at Starbucks because I couldn't get work in languages, even though I speak Polish, Portuguese and English. As soon as I changed my email address to a less foreign name, I started getting invited to interviews. I don't believe I'm taking someone else's job, because there aren't many people who speak Polish and Portuguese. I give back to the community, by working in schools and hospitals. My husband owns a martial arts business. He trains other instructors – one of them is an unemployed Brit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-does-not-cause-unemployment-6287404.html

So, it would be of benefit to pick and chose which immigrants we want.
You seem to concede that point at least.

doughnutmachine

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Yeah..... I was thinking more like the vast majority of real immigrants, not the vanishingly small number of crazies.

People like this....

"I don't believe I'm taking someone else's job" - Agata Wasziewicz-!!!!!!! Dos Santos, 29, interpreter, Newquay

My husband and I came here in 2008 from Poland. First I worked at Starbucks because I couldn't get work in languages, even though I speak Polish, Portuguese and English. As soon as I changed my email address to a less foreign name, I started getting invited to interviews. I don't believe I'm taking someone else's job, because there aren't many people who speak Polish and Portuguese. I give back to the community, by working in schools and hospitals. My husband owns a martial arts business. He trains other instructors – one of them is an unemployed Brit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-does-not-cause-unemployment-6287404.html

so she works as a translator in a hospital telling immigrants how to get healthcare. i know someone that worked in a hospital - he said the translators earned about 200 an hour. i know this is heresy, but i would rather the nhs spent money on healthcare...

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

MacMickster wrote: »

It seems that the people of Aberdeen are far from lazy and workshy. There is virtually no unemployment.

There are several thousand unemployed here.

But the ones that are, for any length of time anyway, are mostly because they're lazy and work shy.

So you want cheap immigrant Labour, rather than letting the market dictate wages.

Not at all.

We want to fill our entry level places with entry level candidates.

I don't much care if it's immigrants, or Brits from elsewhere in the country.

But the current temporary solution, of paying overqualified people to do menial jobs that are holding back their career path, is not particularly advantageous to employees, employers or customers.

Where there are more jobs than applicants the power rests with the employee, who can choose the best employers to work for. If you are having problems recruiting then clearly you are not viewed as one of the better employers.

All employers up here are having trouble recruiting. From Shell and BP all the way down to the local Spar shop. I don't know of a single company that doesn't have a hard time filling vacancies.

Surely we can't ALL not be the better employers?

Or would you rather just see a wage/price inflationary spiral?

MacMickster

ILW wrote: »

So, it would be of benefit to pick and chose which immigrants we want.
You seem to concede that point at least.

The people in the 2 anecdotes quoted by Hamish are also unlikely to pick Aberdeen as their abode within the UK. With high rents and house prices, but employers still seeking cheap labour, they are likely to consider that their prospects would be bleak. They may be able to find work, but would be unable to afford to live there.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ILW wrote: »

Is there a figure based on per capita GDP?

Did you want to challenge the assertions in this report?

There is no link between rising immigration and rising unemployment, independent economists have found – contradicting persistent claims from anti-immigration activists and politicians that an influx of foreign nationals into the UK in recent years has led to more British-born workers on the dole.

The respected National Institute of Economic and Social Research found that there was "no association" between higher immigration and joblessness – even at times of recession or low growth of the sort that Britain is experiencing at the moment.

In fact, the Institute's researchers suggested that the opposite might be the case and that immigration acts as an economic stimulus, pushing total employment levels higher and dole claimant numbers lower than they would otherwise have been.

"Perhaps surprisingly," their economists said, "the interaction between migrant inflows and GDP emerges as positive, indicating that during periods of lower growth, migrant inflows are associated with ... slower [dole] claimant growth than would otherwise have occurred."

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

MacMickster wrote: »

With high rents and house prices, but employers still seeking cheap labour,

No, thats not right.

We have the highest average wages in Scotland, yet nowhere near the highest prices and rents.

You can buy a 2 bed place for 135K, or a 1 bed for 75K, in decent enough areas. You can also spend many times that if you're loaded... Or a lot less if you're poor and willing to compromise on area or commute in.