Immigrants & Benefits

tesuhoha

Graham_Devon wrote: »

It seems they attract all out lies, fabrication, twisting and hysteria too.

And people who are worried about the state of the country.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But the evidence of positive benefits to immigration are so overwhelming, there can simply be no other reason to argue against it.

What about the evidence I posted the other day?

You know, the one from Parliament.

The one that said there is NO EVIDENCE that immigration has been beneficial to the UK. The one Moby decided to claim foul play on, because the evidence was "selective" (i.e. didn't match his or your theories).

The one you said "you would destroy later", but on several calls to destroy it, you decided ignorance was the best route to take. You never did destory it.

What about the other eveidence I gave you a couple of weeks ago, that was written off as xenophobic propoganda, "trumped" by business leaders wanting cheap labour? Ignorance was the best route then too.

Which all leads me to ask....just what is evidence Hamish? Is it simply a case of anything you post is factual evidence, and anything anyone else posts propoganda?

tesuhoha

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I wouldn't live anywhere in England, not just Boston.

But if you have some spare immigrants, by all means send them up here. We can't get the lazy, work shy, native born to fill all our job vacancies round my way.

So these lazy work shy people, does that include black and Asian people? Because they are British too.

Sampong

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But if you have some spare immigrants, by all means send them up here. We can't get the lazy, work shy, native born to fill all our job vacancies round my way.

Not only is that an urban myth, but you you say it with such contempt you clearly have mental health issues.

Sampong

Graham_Devon wrote: »

What about the evidence I posted the other day?

You know, the one from Parliament.

The one that said there is NO EVIDENCE that immigration has been beneficial to the UK. The one Moby decided to claim foul play on, because the evidence was "selective" (i.e. didn't match his or your theories).

The one you said "you would destroy later", but on several calls to destroy it, you decided ignorance was the best route to take. You never did destory it.

What about the other eveidence I gave you a couple of weeks ago, that was written off as xenophobic propoganda, "trumped" by business leaders wanting cheap labour? Ignorance was the best route then too.

Which all leads me to ask....just what is evidence Hamish? Is it simply a case of anything you post is factual evidence, and anything anyone else posts propoganda?

He conveniently "forgets" about anything of any substance which goes against his position, and resorts back to calling everyone xenephobes in the hope that it will win him the argument.

Seriously, how many times have we heard that word from Hamish?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

tesuhoha wrote: »

So why do you say that they don't displace British workers?

Because they evidence shows they don't.

Immigration creates 13 jobs for every one job lost, and it's not even EU immigrants causing the loss of that one job.....

Here's a right of centre source for you, The Telegraph, quoting the what is pretty much the least favourable study on immigration....

On average, it takes 13 immigrants to "displace" one British job – not exactly the "common sense" conclusion. Moreover, those immigrants who do "take" British jobs are temporary, non-EU workers – many are young Australians, Canadians and so on with working holiday visas, rather than Polish plumbers.

It's an obvious point, but those immigration rights tend to be reciprocal so British workers have equal rights to work abroad. Blocking non-EU temporary workers probably wouldn't cut unemployment at all, since it would reduce options open for emigration to British workers.

And at a rate of 13 jobs created for every one lost, that's an awful lot of tax revenue to forgo for the sake of one job.

The fact is, no matter what pressure groups like Migration Watch and newspapers like the Express like to assert, there is simply no economic case to be made against immigration.

In fact, it's the very opposite: by widening our opportunities, the free movement of labour makes us on average, much wealthier and the world a more interesting, happier place.

But while it is reasonable to be worried about immigration, it is simply not true to suggest that "foreigners are stealing our jobs" or that immigration is responsible for unemployment.

And those who do, in defiance of the evidence, make me wonder about their real motivations.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielknowles/100129096/why-immigrants-arent-taking-british-jobs/

Now I could quote a number of studies which show that in fact, the benefits of immigration are markedly better than that one does, but lets start with that.

ILW

Sampong wrote: »

He conveniently "forgets" about anything of any substance which goes against his position, and resorts back to calling everyone xenephobes in the hope that it will win him the argument.

Seriously, how many times have we heard that word from Hamish?

It's a type of inverse bigotry.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Sampong wrote: »

Not only is that an urban myth,

It's far from an urban myth.

I actually cannot get enough employees to fill the current entry level vacancies in our company, and am having to resort to poaching experienced staff from competitors at higher pay rates.

So by all means, if you have spare immigrants, send them to Aberdeen.

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

It's far from an urban myth.

I actually cannot get enough employees to fill the current entry level vacancies in our company, and am having to resort to poaching experienced staff from competitors at higher pay rates.

So by all means, if you have spare immigrants, send them to Aberdeen.

Think that Abu Whatever has just been let out of Belmarsh and is at a bit of a loose end. Great benefit the country he is.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Anyway, here's more evidence.....

There is no link between rising immigration and rising unemployment, independent economists have found – contradicting persistent claims from anti-immigration activists and politicians that an influx of foreign nationals into the UK in recent years has led to more British-born workers on the dole.

The respected National Institute of Economic and Social Research found that there was "no association" between higher immigration and joblessness – even at times of recession or low growth of the sort that Britain is experiencing at the moment.

In fact, the Institute's researchers suggested that the opposite might be the case and that immigration acts as an economic stimulus, pushing total employment levels higher and dole claimant numbers lower than they would otherwise have been.

"Perhaps surprisingly," their economists said, "the interaction between migrant inflows and GDP emerges as positive, indicating that during periods of lower growth, migrant inflows are associated with ... slower [dole] claimant growth than would otherwise have occurred."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/immigration-does-not-cause-unemployment-6287404.html