Immigrants & Benefits

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

I think The Telegraph article hit the nail on the head with this point.....

it is simply not true to suggest that "foreigners are stealing our jobs" or that immigration is responsible for unemployment.

And those who do, in defiance of the evidence, make me wonder about their real motivations.

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You presume wrong.

We offer 40 hours, plus overtime if they want it. We also offer free meals on shift from the staff cafeteria, and transport costs if they have to work unsociable hours.

I could outsource, but it's more like £20 per hour per cleaner.

You really have no idea how mental the jobs market is up here.

I don't know of a single company that doesn't struggle with hiring, no matter how generous they are, or what bribes they offer staff. There simply are not enough employees to go around.

And given that housing is cheaper here than in many parts of the country that have far higher unemployment, yet wages are higher here than most areas even for unskilled jobs, it's mind boggling that so many people complain elsewhere about there being no work but don't have the gumption to get on their bikes to places like Aberdeen where there's too much work and not enough employees.

Does this not demonstrate where an open border policy is ineffective. A small remote corner of the country is having a local recruitment problem, whereas the rest of the country is suffering high level of unemployment. I would suggest addressing the benefits system would be a better bet.

Would you company be prepared to sponsor overseas workers to come to them?

tesuhoha

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You presume wrong.

We offer 40 hours, plus overtime if they want it. We also offer free meals on shift from the staff cafeteria, and transport costs if they have to work unsociable hours.

I could outsource, but it's more like £20 per hour per cleaner.

You really have no idea how mental the jobs market is up here.

I don't know of a single company that doesn't struggle with hiring, no matter how generous they are, or what bribes they offer staff. There simply are not enough employees to go around.

And given that housing is cheaper here than in many parts of the country that have far higher unemployment, yet wages are higher here than most areas even for unskilled jobs, it's mind boggling that so many people complain elsewhere about there being no work but don't have the gumption to get on their bikes to places like Aberdeen where there's too much work and not enough employees.

Your area is in the extreme minority yet you presume to speak for the rest of the country with regard to immigration. Aberdeen sounds like a very nice place to live. Its a pity other people who live and work in towns overwhelmed by immigrants do not have the same quality of life due to the unpleasant consequences of this.

tesuhoha

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I think The Telegraph article hit the nail on the head with this point.....

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Sorry, you are wrong. Its all very well for you to go spouting nonsense after reading articles on the internet and the Telegraph which are probably all lies.

You are trying to convince someone whose husband's job has been directly affected.

tesuhoha

Sampong wrote: »

Whoaa there Hamish, plenty of us aren't old enough to have voted in that and would like to vote on the matter now.

Furthermore, many now feel duped by that referendum as they were voting for a free market and not a political union (and mass immigration).

Well, I was there and I voted no.

Nowadays, the people have no power or say and each consecutive government makes a bigger effort to ruin the country.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

tesuhoha wrote: »

someone whose husband's job has been directly affected.

The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.

Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a claim; it is accepted only in lieu of more solid evidence. This is true regardless of the veracity of individual claims.

Even when many anecdotes are collected to prove a point, "The plural of anecdote is not data."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

ILW

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. Because of the small sample, there is a larger chance that it may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.

Anecdotal evidence is considered dubious support of a claim; it is accepted only in lieu of more solid evidence. This is true regardless of the veracity of individual claims.

Even when many anecdotes are collected to prove a point, "The plural of anecdote is not data."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

Would that also apply to your example of your areas problem in recruiting cleaners?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

ILW wrote: »

Would that also apply to your example of your areas problem in recruiting cleaners?

It would indeed.

And it would also apply to all the anecdotal stories in here, many fabricated, many exaggerated, and some true, about the problems immigrants cause.

But the actual evidence, and data, is overwhelming that immigration is a net benefit to the country.

the_flying_pig

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

... given that housing is cheaper here than in many parts of the country that have far higher unemployment, yet wages are higher here than most areas even for unskilled jobs, it's mind boggling that so many people complain elsewhere about there being no work but don't have the gumption to get on their bikes to places like Aberdeen where there's too much work and not enough employees.

is that a tacit admission that low housing costs drive higher living standards?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

the_flying_pig wrote: »

is that a tacit admission that low housing costs drive higher living standards?

No it's simply noting that house prices here are not a barrier to people moving for even unskilled jobs. Despite the previous posters claim to the contrary.