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Immigrants & Benefits
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Growth can be achieved without immigration.
Not in countries with a low birth rate and worsening dependency ratio. Or at least, not sustainably.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Hamishes interests appear to be more about keeping the pay rates for cleaners in Aberdeen down though.
I see.
You can't dispute the facts I brought out, so you play the man not the ball.
Well done.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »...
They need either a baby boom, or truly massive immigration, from then on to save themselves.
Not a given.
There is a FoxConn plant employing nearly half a million people.
I have seen a report on next generation ACI and Scara robots which suggests this plant could reduce labour force requirement by 80% if they automate to the level of capability available from the next generation.
The key driver to push this process is of course labour force cost. So far it has remained extremely low, but there are definite signs of wage inflation in the emerging economies.
We have to plan for the capability of technology in 10 or 20 years time, else we will be left behind.0 -
Your "facts" only refer to overall immigration and at no point address the issue that controlled "cherry picking" immigration may be much better for the country as a whole.HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »I see.
You can't dispute the facts I brought out, so you play the man not the ball.
Well done.0 -
Not a given.
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No, it's an absolute given.
It doesn't matter how high they push wages (and corresponding inflation), the dependency ratio and elderly care burden will crush them economically.
Just as it would do for us if it wasn't for the enlightened attitude to immigration we've had here.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Your "facts" only refer to overall immigration and at no point address the issue that controlled "cherry picking" immigration may be much better for the country as a whole.
There is no reason we can't go out and attract video games developers, or any other niche, from anywhere in the world right now.
Our EU membership does not limit our ability to increase immigration from elsewhere.
Nor indeed does our EU membership cause us any significant problems with EU immigration, as article after article and study after study has proven.
The weight of evidence is absolutely overwhelming that immigration form the EU has been of massive net benefit to Britain. So as that's the case, why fix something that clearly is not broken?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »There is no reason we can't go out and attract video games developers, or any other niche, from anywhere in the world right now.
Our EU membership does not limit our ability to increase immigration from elsewhere.
Nor indeed does our EU membership cause us any significant problems with EU immigration, as article after article and study after study has proven.
The weight of evidence is absolutely overwhelming that immigration form the EU has been of massive net benefit to Britain. So as that's the case, why fix something that clearly is not broken?
So if we could renegotiate to pick and chose which and when we chose to take from the EU, things would be even better. Why not go for it?0 -
So if we could renegotiate to pick and chose which and when we chose to take from the EU, things would be even better. Why not go for it?
Because it doesn't work like that.
We all have a right, as EU citizens, to live and work anywhere in the EU.
You can't negotiate peoples rights away, or cherry pick what rights you have. That would be as daft as limiting migration within the UK, so Welsh people couldn't work in London.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Your "facts" only refer to overall immigration and at no point address the issue that controlled "cherry picking" immigration may be much better for the country as a whole.
I've seen targetted recruitment in telecomms, robotics, and process validation.
You do it to build up a presence in an emerging market. It's very profitable.
We either believe in a high skills economy or we don't. Time to nail our colours to the mast.0 -
We either believe in a high skills economy or we don't. .
So do we do that by taking away people's rights, as EU citizens, or do we maybe try a bit of training or people development?
And you haven't answered, what is stopping us targeting recruitment now?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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