We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.
This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.
Debate House Prices
In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non MoneySaving matters are no longer permitted. This includes wider debates about general house prices, the economy and politics. As a result, we have taken the decision to keep this board permanently closed, but it remains viewable for users who may find some useful information in it. Thank you for your understanding.
📨 Have you signed up to the Forum's new Email Digest yet? Get a selection of trending threads sent straight to your inbox daily, weekly or monthly!
Immigrants & Benefits
Comments
-
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Eh?
So far in this thread, I've quoted the LSE, NIESR, CEBR, BCC and The UK Government.
IN addition to numerous Academics and independent Economists.
Why would you try to portray that as "random people writing blogs in newspapers"?
And as my article suggests, many of those use misleading and irrelevant statistics to measure the benefits immigrants bring. Misleading and irrelevant were their words, not mine.
Do it on a GDP per capita basis....it changes the statistics wildly.
And that's the important thing. We need to look at how it benefits ALL of us, as it effects all of us. Most of those reports just look at what's good for GDP or business (especially multi national business)0 -
Why would you try to portray that as "random people writing blogs in newspapers"?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Why would you try to portray that as "random people writing blogs in newspapers"?
I wasn't portraying them specifically.
You have linked to blogs on newspaper websites on this thread though. Those links is what I was referrign to.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »misleading and irrelevant statistics
Could you explain which part of the following is "misleading or irrelevant"?
"There is no link between rising immigration and rising unemployment, independent economists have found – contradicting persistent claims from anti-immigration activists and politicians that an influx of foreign nationals into the UK in recent years has led to more British-born workers on the dole.
The respected National Institute of Economic and Social Research found that there was "no association" between higher immigration and joblessness – even at times of recession or low growth of the sort that Britain is experiencing at the moment."“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »And as my article suggests, many of those use misleading and irrelevant statistics to measure the benefits immigrants bring. Misleading and irrelevant were their words, not mine.
Do it on a GDP per capita basis....it changes the statistics wildly.
And that's the important thing. We need to look at how it benefits ALL of us, as it effects all of us. Most of those reports just look at what's good for GDP or business (especially multi national business)
I did ask earlier (I do not know the answer). Hamish chose to ignore the question.0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »I wasn't portraying them specifically.
You have linked to blogs on newspaper websites on this thread though. Those links is what I was referrign to.
So you chose to ignore the numerous, sourced, linked studies from the top institutions in the country, and instead say that your 12 peers were right, and some "random blogger" was wrong.
No wonder you're so often accused of muddling....“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »So you chose to ignore the numerous, sourced, linked studies from the top institutions in the country, and instead say that your 12 peers were right, and some "random blogger" was wrong.
No wonder you're so often accused of muddling....
I'm not ignoring anything. I'm posting evidence from 12 peers in the Lords, LOOKING at your examples and finding problems with your examples.
Please don't start the "your muddling" thing. It's petty, and I'm not muddling anything, just giving opposition to your "facts" from what I think is a very well respected source.
Appears to be yet another way for you to write off anything said. See you ignored the evidence regarding those unemployed too.0 -
Originally Posted by Graham_Devon
Do it on a GDP per capita basis....it changes the statistics wildly.
From your research paper, from your 12 peers.If capital is factored in, this could lead to GDP estimates showing a slightly positive impact on GDP per head.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »See you ignored the evidence regarding those unemployed too.
You haven't given any evidence regarding unemployed.“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
This discussion has been closed.
Confirm your email address to Create Threads and Reply
Categories
- All Categories
- 352.4K Banking & Borrowing
- 253.7K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
- 454.4K Spending & Discounts
- 245.4K Work, Benefits & Business
- 601.3K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
- 177.6K Life & Family
- 259.3K Travel & Transport
- 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
- 16K Discuss & Feedback
- 37.7K Read-Only Boards