can i contest a box junction violation due to poor visibility?

Sgt_Pepper_2

steve-L wrote: »

He STOPPED in a box junction .... therefore driving dangerously.

Whether I do it, you do or not it's still creating a hazard.
Like Jimmy the Wig say's its a bit like telling the authorities you were doing 80mph on a clear motorway in a well maintained M5.... in clear weather and good lighting!

Is it 'dangerous' .... perhaps for any rabbit strays into the headlights..... in other words its not a good excuse to the authorities.... it might be for you and I....

Anyway, don't know the junction, hope LondonTiger doesn't get a ticket... hate ****dy cameras....

So easy get out would seem to be: Was it possible to turn right?

Since you can legally enter a box junction even when you cannot exit when turning right.....

If possible, you entered with a FULL intention of turning right, then your car stalled .... (presumably) and when you managed to get it going again it was safer just to continue?

He was stationary so not driving dangerously. Same as doing 80 on an empty motorway isn't dangerous driving.

steve-L

brat wrote: »

Confusing post. Firstly you're calling his driving dangerous (which it's not). Then you're trying to offer him get out options by lying.

Strange.

1) It is defined as illegal
2) He is appealing to the LEGAL system
3) There is no point arguing over of it was ACTUALLY dangerous ...

Haven't you noticed?
If you park on a yellow line you get a ticket because you are causing a hazard and being dangerous - someone might hit your car and the yellow line is there because that parking on section of road is DANGEROUS

If a disabled person parks in the same place then they get a ticket because parking on section of road is DANGEROUS

If a disabled person parks in the same place BUT has there badge correctly displayed then they do not get a ticket because parking on section of road is NOT DANGEROUS .... somehow the blue badge acts as a force shield protecting other motorists who need to swerve around the parked car and everything is somehow not dangerous anymore....

It has nothing to do with reality, it only counts what has been deemed dangerous...
Stopping inside a box junction is deemed dangerous ...

Going 80 on an empty motorway in a well maintained M5 is deemed AS dangerous....as doing it in a 2CV (presuming the wind is behind you)....

Forget the M5 can stop in 1/4 the distance, forget if a tyre blows it won't flip over.... it is just what has been deemed dangerous.....

So of you get caught stopped in a box junction, doing 80 on the motorway ... it's no point starting the defence 'but it was perfectly safe'.

Sgt_Pepper_2

steve-L wrote: »

1) It is defined as illegal
2) He is appealing to the LEGAL system
3) There is no point arguing over of it was ACTUALLY dangerous ...

Haven't you noticed?
If you park on a yellow line you get a ticket because you are causing a hazard and being dangerous - someone might hit your car and the yellow line is there because that parking on section of road is DANGEROUS

If a disabled person parks in the same place then they get a ticket because parking on section of road is DANGEROUS

If a disabled person parks in the same place BUT has there badge correctly displayed then they do not get a ticket because parking on section of road is NOT DANGEROUS .... somehow the blue badge acts as a force shield protecting other motorists who need to swerve around the parked car and everything is somehow not dangerous anymore....

It has nothing to do with reality, it only counts what has been deemed dangerous...
Stopping inside a box junction is deemed dangerous ...

Going 80 on an empty motorway in a well maintained M5 is deemed AS dangerous....as doing it in a 2CV (presuming the wind is behind you)....

Forget the M5 can stop in 1/4 the distance, forget if a tyre blows it won't flip over.... it is just what has been deemed dangerous.....

So of you get caught stopped in a box junction, doing 80 on the motorway ... it's no point starting the defence 'but it was perfectly safe'.

Get a grip chap. The dangerous in this thread is in relation to dangerous driving not whether it is safe to stop in a box junction. You've gone off at a tangent.

Wig

steve-L wrote: »

1) It is defined as illegal
2) He is appealing to the LEGAL system
3) There is no point arguing over of it was ACTUALLY dangerous ...

Haven't you noticed?
If you park on a yellow line you get a ticket because you are causing a hazard and being dangerous - someone might hit your car and the yellow line is there because that parking on section of road is DANGEROUS

If a disabled person parks in the same place then they get a ticket because parking on section of road is DANGEROUS

If a disabled person parks in the same place BUT has there badge correctly displayed then they do not get a ticket because parking on section of road is NOT DANGEROUS .... somehow the blue badge acts as a force shield protecting other motorists who need to swerve around the parked car and everything is somehow not dangerous anymore....

It has nothing to do with reality, it only counts what has been deemed dangerous...
Stopping inside a box junction is deemed dangerous ...

Going 80 on an empty motorway in a well maintained M5 is deemed AS dangerous....as doing it in a 2CV (presuming the wind is behind you)....

Forget the M5 can stop in 1/4 the distance, forget if a tyre blows it won't flip over.... it is just what has been deemed dangerous.....

So of you get caught stopped in a box junction, doing 80 on the motorway ... it's no point starting the defence 'but it was perfectly safe'.

I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny or sarcastic or serious.

If serious, then what you just wrote is a load of tosh.

brat

I was going to reply to Steve-L's post, but it has already been trashed, so unless he tries to justify it, I'll leave it.

steve-L

Which bits don't you understand or disagree with?

1) Does anyone think he didn't commit a traffic offence?
2) Does any one dispute the (stated) reason for the highways act is for safety?

If he get a letter then the PCN has already been issued and decided.
If he got stopped by the police he might before anything was written down and with a good attitude have avoided it being written due to the mass of traffic....
However, if it comes through the post from a camera then it's already issued.

If he can challenge the road markings he might be OK.....
If he can say he was turning right he might be OK (since that is allowed)

BUT... I doubt he will get far using the traffic as an excuse....as technically he should have left a safe distance. Its a non starter as he should have left sufficient space to see 'clear' road markings.... and if he was going at 1mph how long did it take to actually get into the middle of the box junction....

I'm not castigating him.... we all do this in slow traffic, at least I know I have.... I just don't think he will win an appeal by saying 'the traffic was moving slowly so I was right up the bloke in front's rear bumper to stop some idiot in a taxi jumping in front of me'....

I'm not sure if you're trying to be funny or sarcastic or serious.

Both....
I'm serious that 'the traffic was slow' won't get him anywhere...
I'm sarcastic that a disabled badge carries a forcefield that somehow makes it non-hazardous to park on double yellows when displayed correctly.
Point being double yellows are mean't to be there because its hazardous to park... except that appears to disappear with a correctly displayed disabled badge?

Yes, its totally illogical.....I don't make the rules....

Equally, I never understood how a car turning right in a box junction is not a hazard but one going straight on is? It's either a hazard in that position or not?

Wig

It's not because it is hazardous to park, it is because the council for reasons of traffic flow or simple aesthetics, do not want anyone parking there, otherwise it would cause congestion (or an eye sore). Same for yellow boxes. The only place it would be seen as hazardous to stop would be on white zig zags, but you still wouldn't come away with a dangerous driving charge even if you did park on those.

Sgt_Pepper_2

Wig wrote: »

It's not because it is hazardous to park, it is because the council for reasons of traffic flow or simple aesthetics, do not want anyone parking there, otherwise it would cause congestion (or an eye sore). Same for yellow boxes. The only place it would be seen as hazardous to stop would be on white zig zags, but you still wouldn't come away with a dangerous driving charge even if you did park on those.

I'd leave it wig, he's either trolling or the lift ain't going to the top floor.

brat

steve-L wrote: »

1) It is defined as illegal

Yes.

2) He is appealing to the LEGAL system

How's he doing that then??

3) There is no point arguing over of it was ACTUALLY dangerous ...

Yes there is, because it's not a dangerous act.

Haven't you noticed?
If you park on a yellow line you get a ticket because you are causing a hazard and being dangerous - someone might hit your car and the yellow line is there because that parking on section of road is DANGEROUS

Rubbish! The parking offence exists because it slows traffic, or restricts the availability of parking for others, or it can cause an obstruction. It could be dangerous, but that's a different offence. If so the car will be lifted for that offence and the driver could go to jail for the offence.

If a disabled person parks in the same place then they get a ticket because parking on section of road is DANGEROUS

No. See above.

If a disabled person parks in the same place BUT has there badge correctly displayed then they do not get a ticket because parking on section of road is NOT DANGEROUS .... somehow the blue badge acts as a force shield protecting other motorists who need to swerve around the parked car and everything is somehow not dangerous anymore....

Ah, we have a man with a gripe.

It has nothing to do with reality, it only counts what has been deemed dangerous...
Stopping inside a box junction is deemed dangerous ...

You are going to have to do some work to substantiate that claim. I'm saying it's complete twaddle. I presume you'll have some backing for that claim. I'd hate to think you had just made it up...

Going 80 on an empty motorway in a well maintained M5 is deemed AS dangerous....as doing it in a 2CV (presuming the wind is behind you)....

Rubbish! It's speeding, no more.

Forget the M5 can stop in 1/4 the distance,

Absolute rubbish!

So of you get caught stopped in a box junction, doing 80 on the motorway ... it's no point starting the defence 'but it was perfectly safe'.

But that's not the required defence. It may be (and almost always is) perfectly safe, but inconvenient to other motorists, hence wrong.

neilmcl

OP, any chance contributing to this thread you started then?