can i contest a box junction violation due to poor visibility?

forgotmyname

Is someone jumped into the gap then they would be getting a ticket not you.

photome

londonTiger wrote: »

yeah should post the london disclaimar. The traffic was so slow that it was probably quicker to walk through there. Unfortunately that's how you have to drive when there's such bad traffic no you dont Otherwise someone is going to sneak through a gap and poke their front corner in because their lane is moving 0.1mph slower than yours.

just because someone else wants to drive badly, why do yoiu have to

Nerja_2

I'm just glad I don't have to drive in London traffic any more, but sounds to me like londonTiger has been caught bang to rights blocking a boxed junction, which is exactly what the painted markings on the road are telling you not to do, whether or not they were faded.

scheming_gypsy

londonTiger wrote: »

Do I have reasonable grounds to appeal a box junction penality? I don't know if I''ve been caught yeet. If I have the paperwork is probably being processed through the system and I'll receive something in the post soon.

Nerja wrote: »

I'm just glad I don't have to drive in London traffic any more, but sounds to me like londonTiger has been caught bang to rights blocking a boxed junction, which is exactly what the painted markings on the road are telling you not to do, whether or not they were faded.

There you go LondonTiger! you apparently have been caught for it.


Do they actually monitor any of them? or is it just an offence to stop in one if the plod catch you doing it?

JimmyTheWig

Sgt_Pepper wrote: »

... he wasn't driving dangerously.

Probably not, in reality.
But if his defence of blocking the junction is that he was driving too close to the car in front then I think, by definition, that will be seen as driving dangerously.
Certainly not something that I'd choose to admit to doing to the authorities. In the same way I wouldn't go out of my way to tell them that I'd been doing a perfectly safe 80mph down a clear motorway in good conditions.

Wig

OP,
You have a number of possible defences, however,
"I had to drive close to the car in front to stop people pushing in, and was caught out by the cars infront coming to a standstill when I was in the box"
is not one of them.

Your possible defences are:

• That the box is not painted to the legal standard and it does not have special exemption from the Secretary of State. OR it was so worn out by failure to re-paint that it could no longer be easily recognised as a yellow box or had not been partially re-painted following road repairs - Get a google sat link of the location or a recent photo up onto this thread and we can talk.
• Although you were stopped inside the box in your lane...The other lane to your left or right was clear to be able to exit the box, i.e. you had a choice whether to remain stationary in your lane or change lanes and exit the box.

Either of these 2 would get you off.

Wig

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

Do they actually monitor any of them? or is it just an offence to stop in one if the plod catch you doing it?

In certain cities they do monitor by CCTV, especially central London.

JimmyTheWig wrote: »

Probably not, in reality.
But if his defence of blocking the junction is that he was driving too close to the car in front then I think, by definition, that will be seen as driving dangerously..

Not at all, Driving dangerously would be driving at a speed where you were unable to stop without hitting the car in front...should that car apply their brakes..... He did not hit the car infront he was able to stop safely. The only mistake he made was to stop inside a yellow box, which is not a safety issue, it's merely a potential inconvenience to other motorists.

spacey2012

The crux is, you do not enter the box unless you can see a space at the other side to drive in to.
You do not follow slow moving traffic in, if someone is in the box, even moving you stop and cross in to clear space only .

If someone tries to nip in front, you floor it and rip the side of their car off, that bits not true, but it is what I would do.
And if some #**** paps the horn and hurls abuse at you avoiding the penalty trap , you let them follow you in and stop once you cross it by pretending to stall. Oh dear.
Also again, it teaches them to mind their own business

Nerja_2

scheming_gypsy wrote: »

There you go LondonTiger! you apparently have been caught for it.

Well he obviously thinks he has been or he wouldn't be asking in here. But my point is he has described doing exactly what you are not supposed to do in a boxed junction. As has already been stated, you should not enter a boxed junction unless your exit is clear, so in that respect he has zero defence, ie caught bang to rights.

blossomhill_2

ditto what wig says, go for it if doesn't meet the standards