New to Uk - getting into the system / JSA?

longtimelurkersam

This thread has taken some interesting turns and has made me smile as I can see some of the xenophobic/foreign benefit sponger view points coming through and sometimes I agree with that view point, but of course not all of the facts about us are here on the internet and I won’t provide them all.

She does not need to claim benefits I earn more than enough for both of us to live (even if that is apart) without her claiming benefits, however she wishes to work and I wish her to work for various reasons including development of her English (which is already very good), independence (both financially and socially) and her career. The financial services sector we both work in has really not been affected by this recession. There is plenty of growth, opportunities and expansion taking place and sure she might take a job from a Brit, but when I was offered a role In Slovakia with a firm 18 months ago I would have been taken a job from a Slovak. Now she is in the UK she will expect to receive an offer based on her skills and experience and not attempt to undercut a Brit, just like when I was offered a role there it was based on local salary levels which were insufficient to meet my requirements.

The reason for the initial request is that I had been advised she could claim JSA and get an NI number that way but I was unsure. I now know that she cannot claim JSA and that she can get an NI number without having to claim anything so from that perspective my question has been answered.

Big_is_beautiful

Gentile wrote: »

Make up your mind, you said they are coming in and never having paid a penny they are taking a share. Now your beef is that they are working till the retirement age and getting the same pension as others. Your first point is not true then ?

It's the whole process of getting anything when you have put nothing in that bothers me. Whether it be welfare benefits or pensions at an an older age.
I despise any situation where people don't put in the pot, but want to take out, that includes Brits as well.

Big_is_beautiful

longtimelurkersam wrote: »

This thread has taken some interesting turns and has made me smile as I can see some of the xenophobic/foreign benefit sponger view points coming through and sometimes I agree with that view point, but of course not all of the facts about us are here on the internet and I won’t provide them all.

She does not need to claim benefits I earn more than enough for both of us to live (even if that is apart) without her claiming benefits, however she wishes to work and I wish her to work for various reasons including development of her English (which is already very good), independence (both financially and socially) and her career. The financial services sector we both work in has really not been affected by this recession. There is plenty of growth, opportunities and expansion taking place and sure she might take a job from a Brit, but when I was offered a role In Slovakia with a firm 18 months ago I would have been taken a job from a Slovak. Now she is in the UK she will expect to receive an offer based on her skills and experience and not attempt to undercut a Brit, just like when I was offered a role there it was based on local salary levels which were insufficient to meet my requirements.

The reason for the initial request is that I had been advised she could claim JSA and get an NI number that way but I was unsure. I now know that she cannot claim JSA and that she can get an NI number without having to claim anything so from that perspective my question has been answered.

Of course giving only half the story, doesn't help for a true picture of the situation does it.

Gentile

Big_is_beautiful wrote: »

It's the whole process of getting anything when you have put nothing in that bothers me. Whether it be welfare benefits or pensions at an an older age.
I despise any situation where people don't put in the pot, but want to take out, that includes Brits as well.

That bothers the most of us. There are far more british who havent worked in their entire life and who are taking from the pot than foreigners. I know many who have 5 kids, never worked, move from one big house to another, get their kid diagnosed with illness even if he is fine so they get more. One woman forced the school to issue some letter that her kid had Aspergers syndrome. She spends half the time convincing me her kid has Aspergers syndrome. However she doesnt know what it means. All she knows is that its is classified as illness and she is entitled to more money. The kids is really really normal and very well mannered.

longtimelurkersam

Big_is_beautiful wrote: »

Of course giving only half the story, doesn't help for a true picture of the situation does it.

Well you had all the RELEVANT info for my enquiry from the first few posts I made. The rest of our info isn't relevant and is only required to satisfy nosiness that exists everywhere. You don't need to know whether she is a fluffer or a specialist fac business coordinator. You don't need to know that I work as a process contractor as it isn't really relevant.

She would come here and work and contribute by paying taxes and NI over the 30+ years and unless something dramatic Happened is unlikely to require assistance from what she has contributed.

duchy

My son has Aspergers Syndrome -he's 21 and at university ....He's "really, really normal and well mannered" to the outside uninformed observer who doesn't see his struggles. Congratulations Gentile -even for the benefits board that has to be the most offensive and ignorent comment I've seen on here in a while.

longtimelurkersam

Gentile wrote: »

That bothers the most of us. There are far more british who havent worked in their entire life and who are taking from the pot than foreigners. I know many who have 5 kids, never worked, move from one big house to another, get their kid diagnosed with illness even if he is fine so they get more. One woman forced the school to issue some letter that her kid had Aspergers syndrome. She spends half the time convincing me her kid has Aspergers syndrome. However she doesnt know what it means. All she knows is that its is classified as illness and she is entitled to more money. The kids is really really normal and very well mannered.

Yes this bothers me too. Foreigners and Brits alike who just sponge of the state and get it all for nothing having sometimes never even out something in to the system in the first place. Obviously there are genuine cases of people on benefits and I exclude them from this view.

charlieismydarling

know many who have 5 kids, never worked, move from one big house to another, get their kid diagnosed with illness even if he is fine so they get more. One woman forced the school to issue some letter that her kid had Aspergers syndrome. She spends half the time convincing me her kid has Aspergers syndrome. However she doesnt know what it means. All she knows is that its is classified as illness and she is entitled to more money. The kids is really really normal and very well mannered.

Congratulations Gentile -even for the benefits board that has to be the most offensive and ignorent comment I've seen on here in a while.

I agree, what a load of !!!! Gentile you should really stick to posting facts, not the bigoted tripe you spout.

Voyager2002

Big_is_beautiful wrote: »

They can after they have worked for a certain length of time they will be considered as contributing to our economy otherwise there is not point taxing them.
My beef is that if they stay here until retirement, their contribution is far less than someone who has worked for over 40 years, yet they still get the same, that can't be right.
If we went to their country I am certain that the benefits would not be as good, if they were then why do they all want to come here. We are the mugs of Europe, and have had that reputation for a long time.

Just heard on the radio that the UK has the lowest state pension in Europe. We are indeed the mugs of Europe -- for tolerating this government!

von

Ok to be totally unbiased, unlike some people on this forum, assuming that your girlfriend is not living with you she can claim JSA as soon as she arrives in the UK because she is an EU National and a workseeker. She is unlikely to be awarded JSA straight away because she is not habitually resident in the UK, but after a certain period of time she will be awarded JSA - the period of residency depends on the Decision Maker at the Benefit Centre.
In the meantime she can sign on every 2 weeks and when she gets a NI number she will receive her NI credits (she doesn't have to be habitually resident to receive NI credits - she just needs to have a NI number and be available and actively seeking work).