Daughter absolutely potless dont know where to turn

krisskross

I wonder what standard of education this young lady achieved? I came into contact with many youngsters whilst in Spain and only the very young ones managed to quickly pick up enough Spanish to have a decent education. 14 is far too old to go into a Spanish school without fluent Spanish. The parents I spoke to told me nothing much extra was provided for English children, all lessons in Spanish etc. The consensus was that unless one could afford private schooling then it simply wasn't fair to teenagers to take them to Spain but, if possible, to leave them here with family until their education was completed.

Perhaps the daughter could look at obtaining some educational qualifications while her children are still young.

princessdon

Spain is a civilised society, just not a benefit state like ours is. They would not have left your grandbabies homeless.

End of the day, you wanted your daughter home and I don't think many would say in your situation they'd want any differently.

But you did so without a second's thought on how you were going to pay for that, merely assumed that the tax payers would pick up the tab, just like they did when you returned.

I doubt if that family will ever be off benefits in the foreseeable future, even if they work they will likely need Tax Credits and Housing Benefit. In short you brought them over to claim benefits as their countries wasn't as generous.

We'd all the do the same if honest.

The real shame is that the UK allows this, whilst the Spanish Economy isn't great and it's made some huge mistakes they at least have the balls to stop giving money hand over fist.

They are far from an uncivilised society though.

szam_

MissPiggy50 wrote: »

You and the other posters her were brouhgt up on tax payin money, so get payin back into it and stop moanin on here. Most people use more money than they eva put into the system, look at tha debt of the country idiots, it tells the story. You are not high and mighty above anyone, it took a debt to bring you up so deal wiv it

Not sure if serious...

I don't mean to be harsh, but that's total rubbish.

ILW

OPs problem is that that have used an open forum for advice on how to milk the UK benefits system. Most people do not approve of this and see it a rather unfair.

bloomingflower

shazm.69 wrote: »

Thanks for all the helpful advice. My daughter got in touch with a benefit decision maker and was told she had failed the test as she has not been in the country long enough. She was told she can re take the test, but the people in the job centre said she cant take it again she gets told different things by different people. Some of them dont even know what a hrt test is. Her partner is desperate to work he is a proud man and doesnt like handouts. The granparents in spain would have let the children stay as it was only them they cared about they totally took over with the upbringing of them and my daughter didnt get a look in. My daughter was there alone with none of her family to turn to. She has been trying to get back to UK since i came back. It wasnt her fault she was dragged to spain by her parents. Then her father deserted us all there and then everthing went wrong for us all. Yes she was silly to have 2 children so young but we wouldnt be without them now.

shazm.69 wrote: »

What on earth are you talking about???
We did NOT retire to spain My then husband was working and so was i.Then he lost his job and had to return to uk to work he would come back every few weeks. Then one day he just didnt come back. He made me sell the house as he was still paying the mortgage we came out of that with hardly anything. I was working 7 days a week 8 hours a day for 3euro an hour. Then i lost that job and had absolutely nothing. We couldnt get help over there. If you cant pay your electricity bills they will come and remove your meter same with water if you cant pay they will not help you cant pay in dribs and drabs they want the full amount.
So my sister got in her car and drove down to spain and made us come back with her. We had no choice she said pack your things we are coming to get you and 2 days later they were there. They had to pay for our return as we had nothing. I didnt even have a passport had to get an emergency one. I always swore i would never leave my daughter there but i had no choice i had 3 other children to think about. I killed me to leave her. I have been sick with worry ever since. So if they have to claim benefits for a while until they find work so be it. Im just glad i have her back with me. And she hasnt got mental isuues at all she was only joking she said that in the heat of the moment. But i am worried for them the children are suffering as i cannot afford all the things they need. And for the people that say im on benefits here how do you know?? I have children including a 6 year old just because i am receiving housing benefit doesnt mean im unemployed.

ILW wrote: »

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So you believe that anyone from a foreign country should be allowed to just turn up and be housed and fed buy UK social services despite never having contributed a penny to the coffers?

If you bothered to read the Op's post's above both the parents were actually working before things went wrong for them.
So yes they did actually in fact contribute to the 'coffers?'

Her partner is also desperate to work.So this family have shown that they are not really 'benefit scroungers' as some posters have implied.

Has no one on here ever been made redundant or lost their job and fallen on hard times? Surely there must be some posters on this thread who are claiming benefits? Yes?

ILW

bloomingflower wrote: »

If you bothered to read the Op's post's above both the parents were actually working before things went wrong for them.
So yes they did actually in fact contribute to the 'coffers?'

Her partner is also desperate to work.So this family have shown that they are not really 'benefit scroungers' as some posters have implied.

The daughter may or may not have worked, the partner only did cash in hand. If any contributions were made they were made to Spain. How have they contributed to the UK coffers?

ILW

bloomingflower wrote: »

Has no one on here ever been made redundant or lost their job and fallen on hard times?

Yes, but they would not expect the Spanish taxpayer to support them. That is the point.

SandraScarlett

Unfortunately, we are now disappearing up our own fundamental orifices, due to the risk of being accused of racism, or Benefit Bashing, by the PC brigade.

When other immigrants descended on our shores in times gone by, they did whatever they had to in order to survive. My greatgrandmother and her 3 sisters, and numerous brothers, came from The Netherlands in the 1850s, and eventually, between the 4 sisters, they had ...... 64 children! :eek:

When GreatGranny and her siblings first came here, they lived in 2 rooms and from 5 years old, were expected to work. The Census records from that time show them employed as "cigar makers", which became a cottage industry in the East End. There were no benefits, so you did whatever you had to, to exist.

There was a huge Irish community in the East India Dock area, due to the many Irish "navvies" who came over to work on the digging of the Blackwall Tunnel.

The Windrush immigrants came in response to adverts for jobs, by London Transport, and contributed to the coffers by way of their taxes, and the same can be said of many Asians, who worked all the hours God sent, in order to succeed.

But there are many who came here because our benefits system, thanks to Messrs Blair & Brown, was widely acclaimed to be wonderful, and available without need of contribution. But you couldn't say a word about this, without fear of being accused of racism. Remember Gordon Brown and his "bigot" comment?

When I run the taps into the bath, and then turn them off, it isn't because I have anything against the taps, or the bath, or an aversion against having a bath. It's because the water will overflow if I don't turn them off. Simples!

I've often been to "American Buffets" where we've all had to bring something to eat, and had some great food. But if someone arrived without a contribution, but then expected to consume as much as those who had, where's the fairness in that?

I can't remember the exact wording, but even Ed Milliband admitted that mistakes had been made by Labour, due to their immigration policy. Currently, the buzzword amongst politicians, whatever their party, is "fair". I just can't see why it's fair to expect that it's OK for others to partake of our buffet when they've brought nothing.

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Miss_Havisham

MissPiggy50 wrote: »

You and the other posters her were brouhgt up on tax payin money, so get payin back into it and stop moanin on here. Most people use more money than they eva put into the system, look at tha debt of the country idiots, it tells the story. You are not high and mighty above anyone, it took a debt to bring you up so deal wiv it

I don't know what you mean by this. I certainly wasn't brought up on other peoples taxes, I was brought up on my parents wages after they paid taxes etc.

I've paid taxes and NI for 40 years and never claimed any benefits. Paid for private health care and dentist. Paid fuel tax, VAT, council tax. No kids so no free vitamins, healthy start freebies. Even paid for our own contraceptives :eek:

Looks like you didn't use any tax payers' money on getting an education - bet you've made up for it with benefits though heh ? Live with that luv. :T:T

princessdon

bloomingflower wrote: »

If you bothered to read the Op's post's above both the parents were actually working before things went wrong for them.
So yes they did actually in fact contribute to the 'coffers?'

Her partner is also desperate to work.So this family have shown that they are not really 'benefit scroungers' as some posters have implied.

The OP was working in Spain and at 3E cash in hand. No contributions over there mean no benefits. That is why they had to come home, as they don't dish out money for each child, or pay benefits to those that haven't had considerable contributions.

OP had contributed to the UK, her child and her partner have not. They are adults and as such their family has never contributed to any system, if they had they'd be better of in Spain where the benefits would be better than here.

I agree it's not fair to call the Son In Law a benefit scrounger - we don't know how or if he will work. He has yet to find to work and so we don't know and it is early days. there is a chance he will always be out of work, or a chance he will be in work.

The point is the way they returned (without finding work first) means that he arrived in an EU country with his children and asked for benefits. As such they are now looking at that decsision and from what OP says, they are not being as quick in granting a house and beneifts as they first thought.

I have no doubt they will be given it though as the mother is entitled. I am as suprised as OP is that it has taken this long and I can't work out why it happened to be honest.