Cons Lost Election 2015 Already Says Telegraph

Rinoa

coastline wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/3477235/David-Cameron-scraps-Labour-spending-plan-to-avoid-borrowing-bombshell.html

Cameron is saying all that after the financial crisis...Nov 18 2008 is the date of that article...
Here is what they were saying 3rd September 2007....not one mention of debt or the looming financial crisis..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6975536.stm

Fair point. Growth was 3% in 2007 so the optimism is understandable. However, by 2008 Cameron knew that spending would have to be cut.

At least he's a realist.

SailorSam

http://odds.bestbetting.com/politics/general-election/winning-party/

Moby

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Election may be 2 years away but it is already lost - good article -Interesting - four main reasons why Cameron's Cons ,mathematically, cannot win the next general election 2015

1) Strong united Labour party
2) Cons failure to impress in the north
3) Ethnic voters also less than impressed
4) That 'marriage' row!

also encompassses boundary changes,ukip,split vote,Osbornes economic failure etc. Very good read!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9770710/Its-two-years-away-but-the-2015-election-is-already-lost.html

Others have made the point that Labour's economic policy would have been similar...perhaps they would have tried for more growth and prioritised slightly differently eg kept the 50% tax rate. The biggest failure of all of this present shower is the lack of any attempt whatsoever to unify the country, or to represent all interests. The Tory does not exist in Scotland, Wales or huge swathes of the North in any meaningful way. How can they therefore claim to be a national party? They also follow the politics of divide and rule and pitch sections of the community against each other. A govmt is supposed to represent everyone....yes even those who work in the public sector like me! and also those of us who claim benefits. The damage caused to the social fabric by rhetoric deliberately encouraging the bitterness felt to asylum seekers, benefit 'scroungers' etc will create social unrest:-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/dec/29/cuts-councils-newcastle-liverpool-sheffield
No matter what your political bias....Does such a govmt deserve respect...?:mad:

homelessskilledworker

Rinoa wrote: »

2010 was not a good election to win.

Whoever won would have had little alternative but to offer austerity for many years, the consequence of which would be unpopularity.

After Labour ran out of spending other peoples money, as they always do, the great british public were only likely to give the new Conservative government 6-12 months to sort it out, after which time they would then blame the new govt. for all our woes rather than the real culprits.

Red Ed is very clever at manipulating the blame on to Cameron, conveniently forgetting he was a high-up in the party that caused the carnage.

Still, the Conservatives are making good progress. You can't say they're courting popularity. They're tackling the problems Labour daren't touch and we'll be better off for that in the long term.

Will they win the next election? Almost certainly not.

But with the Cons. tackling all the welfare problems, Labour will be left with a golden scenario in 2015. Let's hope they don't waste it like they did in 1997.

I am no great fan of DC and GO, but they were on to a hiding to nothing trying to clear up Gordon Browns so called "miracle economy" mess.
IF the Tories were sure they were up for a pasting at the next general election there is a part of me hoping that in the 18 before the election that David Cameron goes on a left wing jolly giving everything the unions want and being everything to everyone(like Labour always do) and then watch a newly elected Labour Government clear up the mess that would surely follow without being able to spend one more penny.

Moby

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

I am no great fan of DC and GO, but they were on to a hiding to nothing trying to clear up Gordon Browns so called "miracle economy" mess.
IF the Tories were sure they were up for a pasting at the next general election there is a part of me hoping that in the 18 before the election that David Cameron goes on a left wing jolly giving everything the unions want and being everything to everyone(like Labour always do) and then watch a newly elected Labour Government clear up the mess that would surely follow without being able to spend one more penny.

So in effect out of spite....you wish the country more suffering and turmoil...unbelievable!

homelessskilledworker

Moby wrote: »

So in effect out of spite....you wish the country more suffering and turmoil...unbelievable!

And what do you think the Labour are going to do anyway??

At least this way they cannot get away with going on a binge using the credit card and pretending they did it through economic wisdom, like they did the last ten year spending binge.

ILW

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

And what do you think the Labour are going to do anyway??

At least this way they cannot get away with going on a binge using the credit card and pretending they did it through economic wisdom, like they did the last ten year spending binge.

Ed Balls is already talking about higher public spending.

michaels

Moby wrote: »

So in effect out of spite....you wish the country more suffering and turmoil...unbelievable!

It's what Gordon Brown did, not out of spite but in a vain attempt to bribe the electorate with their own money with absolutely no thought of what the post election period would bring...but then for a politician the 5 yearly beauty contest is everything, the good of the country a very distant second.

chris_m

ILW wrote: »

Ed is already talking [STRIKE]about higher public spending[/STRIKE] Balls.

I've corrected that for you

DecentLivingWage

Hmmmmnn..... Ladbrokes offering odds of 5/1 on a General Election this coming year!! (2013) Bit of an outlier, but if Cons were going to turn economy around it' d have turned by now.... theyve run out of road - takes 2 terms to turn an economy... soooo ... only poss.. NoConfidenceVote ?