Cons Lost Election 2015 Already Says Telegraph

BertieUK

chris_m wrote: »

I've corrected that for you

As he has for most of his political career.

sheffield_lad

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Hmmmmnn..... Ladbrokes offering odds of 5/1 on a General Election this coming year!! (2013) Bit of an outlier, but if Cons were going to turn economy around it' d have turned by now.... theyve run out of road - takes 2 terms to turn an economy... soooo ... only poss.. NoConfidenceVote ?

LOL you don't give up do you, at least I have not seen a post of yours recently with the "hard working families" in it. (pass me the sick bag) ugghh

Whats happening with the economy is to my mind expected, we had a crippling debt (1trillion), we had a £159billion deficit and the only way to stop the first from growing is to cut the latter, how is this achievable? Cutting the public sector (although we have not really cut that hard yet), its easy to say the gov should create growth but in reality that's very hard especially as most families have so much personal debt that any extra income would not go anywhere near a shop and would be used to pay down said debt.

Labour will probably win 2015 election, as they will tell the electorate what they want to hear (money tree at back of no10), why have cuts when we can borrow after all?

BertieUK

howee wrote: »

Labour will probably win 2015 election, as they will tell the electorate what they want to hear (money tree at back of no10), why have cuts when we can borrow after all?

Lets just put aside politics for one moment, with respect to yourself and your vast knowledge compared to mine in politics, would it not be better use the money tree for a short time to get things moving again then we would start earning so as to be able to pay back this big debt, because as this old codger sees it,we are not being seen to be moving forward at all and seem to be in a rut.

markharding557

I would not say the conservatives have already lost the next election, but they have certainly made their task harder.
They need to stop the infighting and inject some discipline other wise they will struggle even against a less than impressive labour leader.
The cons are in a position where they cannot afford the loss of even one seat.

ILW

BertieUK wrote: »

Lets just put aside politics for one moment, with respect to yourself and your vast knowledge compared to mine in politics, would it not be better use the money tree for a short time to get things moving again then we would start earning so as to be able to pay back this big debt, because as this old codger sees it,we are not being seen to be moving forward at all and seem to be in a rut.

Trouble is. just borrowing and spending money carries no guarantee of getting things moving. There is a good chance of just being deeper in debt.
I suspect labour would just increase the public sector wage bill.

sheffield_lad

Bertie, have a look across the water, look at France, Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. Thats a rut we are very slowly moving forward but suggesting that borrowing will see us out of this is not taking into account the state of the nation's finances, not only the gov's but everyone's finances.

We all had it too good from 96 through to 2007 we orgied on debt, if we maxed one card we moved to the next. Why do you think payday loans are all the rage? Its because plastic is no longer available to many. This stagnant economy will grow slowly but it will be 10yrs before we are back to normal, (+5 if balls is given keys to no11).

BertieUK

ILW wrote: »

Trouble is. just borrowing and spending money carries no guarantee of getting things moving. There is a good chance of just being deeper in debt.
I suspect labour would just increase the public sector wage bill.

There are not many instances in life that can carry a guarantee that can be relied upon, and it was my point that all the good that maybe being done by the Government at the moment but cannot realistically be seen, will all have been a waste of time, money and effort, then heaven forbid if the Labour spendthrifts get into power we are back to square one.

BertieUK

howee wrote: »

Bertie, have a look across the water, look at France, Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal. Thats a rut we are very slowly moving forward but suggesting that borrowing will see us out of this is not taking into account the state of the nation's finances, not only the gov's but everyone's finances.

We all had it too good from 96 through to 2007 we orgied on debt, if we maxed one card we moved to the next. Why do you think payday loans are all the rage? Its because plastic is no longer available to many. This stagnant economy will grow slowly but it will be 10yrs before we are back to normal, (+5 if balls is given keys to no11).

I can see all your valid points very clearly now and these should be the way that Ministers should be delivering these facts to the public at large, many of us can only hear the bickering between them over the despatch box every day, nobody want to be met with the problems that are being experienced by many European countries at this moment. Thank you howee.

grizzly1911

howee wrote: »

Whats happening with the economy is to my mind expected, we had a crippling debt (1trillion), we had a £159billion deficit and the only way to stop the first from growing is to cut the latter, how is this achievable? Cutting the public sector (although we have not really cut that hard yet), its easy to say the gov should create growth but in reality that's very hard especially as most families have so much personal debt that any extra income would not go anywhere near a shop and would be used to pay down said debt.



Labour will probably win 2015 election, as they will tell the electorate what they want to hear (money tree at back of no10), why have cuts when we can borrow after all?

Collecting all taxation due and achieving increased exports to drive more taxation is what is required. Not increasing the level of tax but the volume. It is taxation revenue falling away that is exasperating the problem.

Yes we can cut away but there should be frank and open honesty, that all governments have lost the ability to control the destiny of the country, at the same time. Jam isn't coming anytime soon, if at all. Having made this statement people will put up the shutters and hunker down and the problem will steadily get worse. Those that have the ability will get up and go.

Perhaps on the way out the chancellor could hand over the keys to the IMF/Europe.

DecentLivingWage

Tonight...

David Cameron must address the identity crisis in his own party before it's too late...

Whats their worst strategic error since the poll tax?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/matthewd_ancona/9770645/Ditching-their-modernisation-campaign-was-the-Tories-worst-strategic-error-since-the-poll-tax.html