Cons Lost Election 2015 Already Says Telegraph

Mrs_Bones

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Oooohhh... The Iron Lady next Sunday on C4 ! Meryl Streep Will it help or hinder the Cons chances? Must watch now its cheaper to see it at home!

BobQ wrote: »

You may be disappointed. I expected it to reinforce all the reasons I detest the woman, instead it focused largely on an old lady suffering the onset of dementia. I thought it was quite cruel in many ways to do this to a living person.

I am hoping to see the film as I've not seen it yet. I don't actually see it playing in Cameron's favour.

I come from what was a mining town and I've many issues with the policies from the Thatcher era. Yet as a women I can't help admire other aspects of Margaret Thatcher even if I disagree with the things she did. She was a strong women who, at least in the early years didn't allow others to brow beat her down. She lead from the front, spoke her mind and as she famously declared was not for turning. She didn't get an easy life handed to her on a plate, she studied and worked and fought her way up the ladder before becoming the UK's first and so far only women PM. In the end it wasn't the country that kicked her out it was her own side that stabbed her in the back, something Cameron may do well to keep in mind.

In comparison the modern lot of politicians don't look like they are fit to wipe her shoes. They all come across as immature school boys with no firm convictions. Who run their careers on the back of spin, PR and opinion polls. Hardly any have experience of life outside of politics or their own narrow social networks. Cameron himself comes across as shallow and vacuous of convictions in comparison to the form PM.

markharding557

In comparison the modern lot of politicians don't look like they are fit to wipe her shoes. They all come across as immature school boys with no firm convictions. Who run their careers on the back of spin, PR and opinion polls. Hardly any have experience of life outside of politics or their own narrow social networks. Cameron himself comes across as shallow and vacuous of convictions in comparison to the form PM.

I could not agree more! she was the last of her kind, who battled on come what may.
I disagreed with many policies of the thatcher government but could not help admire the strength and conviction of MT.

BobQ

markharding557 wrote: »

I could not agree more! she was the last of her kind, who battled on come what may.
I disagreed with many policies of the thatcher government but could not help admire the strength and conviction of MT.

That is the thing about leadership, its possible to be very good at the concept but at the same time to lead those led in completely the wrong direction!

chewmylegoff

BobQ wrote: »

You may be disappointed. I expected it to reinforce all the reasons I detest the woman, instead it focused largely on an old lady suffering the onset of dementia. I thought it was quite cruel in many ways to do this to a living person.

DLW won't be disappointed. Whatever the content of the film, he/she will just come on here afterwards and announce that the film has dealt a death blow to the tories' hopes in the 2015 election, and explain a hitherto hidden subtextual plot in the film which demonstrates that ed milliband is the greatest living politician and will be remembered as the leading statesman of our age.

Moby

homelessskilledworker wrote: »

And what do you think the Labour are going to do anyway??

At least this way they cannot get away with going on a binge using the credit card and pretending they did it through economic wisdom, like they did the last ten year spending binge.

There is so much hypocrisy and 'benefit of hindsight' about the so called 'spending binge'. I don't seem to remember the tories advising people at the time not to 'binge'. Credit, bingeing etc is all part of the wonderful world of capitalism that we have. Unregulated credit companies selling credit to people who can't afford it and financial products, insurances etc, (not worth the paper they were written on) were offered shamelessly and were regarded as the means by which the world goes round for many of the banker and financial adviser types. The idea of consumer demand and advertising etc are pure capitalist concepts that are surely close to the heart of the tory. All the financial scandals of recent years have had many causes....high amongst them is deregulation and a complete lack of effective oversight.....things the tories were demanding time and time again. We talk about how entrepreneurs should be the backbone of this country's economy. Real entrepreneurs are actually very scarce however. What we actually had in the South East is far less romantic.....we had huge swathes of people who were making money out of the credit bubble, (builders, plumbers, electricians, plasterers, taxi drivers, financial advisers, nail technicians etc etc etc....) and using the 'cash in hand' method to avoid paying due tax. Govmt didn't complain because there was growth....indeed border controls were dropped to encourage immigration to satisfy the demand! Of course we all saw what happened next when the credit dried up! The point I'm making is that...... the blame can partly be laid at the door of the last Labour govmt because they were in power and didn't do anything about it but surely the wider point is.....as a govmt they were weak and were colluding with the bankers etc that were really driving the agenda .......those very same 'interests' that look to the tories to further their cause! The belief that Thatcher represented corner shop financial management ie you dont spend what you dont have... is complete bull! Her greatest supporters were actually speculators and bankers who created the 80's concept of the 'Yuppie' and who thrived in deregulated financial markets. Her 'kitchen economics' values were a populist lie meant to keep the rest of us in our place....leaving the aforementioned to run things. Throw in the fear of the immigrant/foreigner, encourage a scapegoating of the benefit scrounger, demonise the miners, unions etc and we are all fighting amongst ourselves in no time. It has always been the tory way and always will be and so many of you fall for it time and time and time again!

BertieUK

Mrs_Bones wrote: »

She didn't get an easy life handed to her on a plate, she studied and worked and fought her way up the ladder before becoming the UK's first and so far only women PM. In the end it wasn't the country that kicked her out it was her own side that stabbed her in the back, something Cameron may do well to keep in mind.

In comparison the modern lot of politicians don't look like they are fit to wipe her shoes. They all come across as immature school boys with no firm convictions. Who run their careers on the back of spin, PR and opinion polls. Hardly any have experience of life outside of politics or their own narrow social networks. Cameron himself comes across as shallow and vacuous of convictions in comparison to the form PM.

Margaret Thatcher was an MP that I really did not agree with many of her policies but I had to admire her strength to stand her ground sometimes against all odds. She had an unusual voice, Clive James writing in the Observer compared her voice to "a cat sliding down a blackboard" rather a strange analogy I thought, but then we are speaking of Clive James.

To me MT strived, and as you say and fought her way up the ladder, something that the 'posh boys' have never done and I truly believe that they have not done the Conservative Party any favours at all and since coming to office and filling two of the most important jobs in politics they have, by their own arrogance let the image of the Conservative Party down.


This I must say is a complete contrast to the way Margaret Thatchers image was perceived by the General Public.

The CP should have chosen David Davis for their leader who was a man of character and would have lead from the hip.

DecentLivingWage

OMG - The General Election campaign Has Started !

Look at this from Nigel ! Old Farage doesn't give up does he? I kinda like him in a funny sort of way (ever since he fell out of that plane!) He's a tryer!:D

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4719510/UKIP-set-for-surge-and-poll-triumph.html

Optimist

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

OMG - The General Election campaign Has Started !

Look at this from Nigel ! Old Farage doesn't give up does he? I kinda like him in a funny sort of way (ever since he fell out of that plane!) He's a tryer!:D

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4719510/UKIP-set-for-surge-and-poll-triumph.html

Erm isn't this from Jon Cruddas MP about Nigel Farage

Policy review chief Jon Cruddas believes the anti-EU party could even top the polls in 2014 elections for Euro-MPs.
In an article about UKIP leader Nigel Farage, Mr Cruddas wrote: “My hunch is that he and UKIP will have a great 2013 and an even better 2014 when they may top the European elections.”

DecentLivingWage

Yes, recognising Ukip as a political force will hurt the Cons (oh and the Lib Dems for that matter) Raises the debate and ups the anti - very clever.... and also true... The eur elections will be a massive spotlight for good old Nigel!) Free publicity goodies,the oxygen of publicity is horrendously expensive usually

BertieUK

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

OMG - The General Election campaign Has Started !

Look at this from Nigel ! Old Farage doesn't give up does he? I kinda like him in a funny sort of way (ever since he fell out of that plane!) He's a tryer!:D

http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4719510/UKIP-set-for-surge-and-poll-triumph.html

It will be very interesteng to follow which of the main parties he will get his voters from, maybe his party will be able to avoid the result being another close call.