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Welshwoofs

RevolvingDoor wrote: »

I have met one medium who gave me an awful lot of very specific information, not general stuff, really specific and accurate things. She even described perfectly a collection of decorative stones that I had in my garden which she couldn't possibly have guessed from looking at me! I would love a skeptic to meet her to see what they thought. I had no idea she considered herself a medium when I met her and was very taken aback when she started telling me things that she couldn't possibly known or guessed about me. She didn't charge me any money either before you ask.;)

Whether they take money or not is a side issue. There are other benefits to be gained by such deceptions such as self-worth, kudos and the good feeling people get when they are engaged in something altruistic.

If you think she's the real thing why not tell her about all the cash prizes available if she steps up and proves her gift? If she's not interested in money, then perhaps she could do it on the basis of furthering the reputation of mediums and educating all us non-believers?

The thing with her and other mediums that I have known other people to see is that I don't think they would care about "proving" themselves to the scientific community as they already believe and so they don't seem particularly interested in fame and fortune or scientific research.

Well that seems rather odd to me. If they truly believe it why wouldn't they want the world to benefit from the knowledge that there's life after death? Why not wish to end all the anxiety and suffering of people who are terminally ill, or people who are bereaved, or people who are just plan crapping themselves about death? I mean if I could prove some secret that I knew would bring emotional relief to millions, if not billions, I'd be jumping up and down with a megaphone. So if they refuse to ... well, logically, that makes them extremely selfish and self-serving doesn't it? It's like discovering a cure for cancer and then with-holding it.

LittleMissAspie

I'm staying in a Victorian house at the moment and it was so windy last night that the window was banging away and a cold breeze was coming in even though the window was shut. Obviously isn't airtight, its an old sash window. If I was in another part of the house (the part on the other side of the wind direction) I guess it would unsettle me to hear the banging.

There is a physical explanation for everything but science isn't advanced enough to know it all yet.

RevolvingDoor

Welshwoofs wrote: »

If you think she's the real thing why not tell her about all the cash prizes available if she steps up and proves her gift? If she's not interested in money, then perhaps she could do it on the basis of furthering the reputation of mediums and educating all us non-believers?

Well that seems rather odd to me. If they truly believe it why wouldn't they want the world to benefit from the knowledge that there's life after death? Why not wish to end all the anxiety and suffering of people who are terminally ill, or people who are bereaved, or people who are just plan crapping themselves about death? I mean if I could prove some secret that I knew would bring emotional relief to millions, if not billions, I'd be jumping up and down with a megaphone. So if they refuse to ... well, logically, that makes them extremely selfish and self-serving doesn't it? It's like discovering a cure for cancer and then with-holding it.

I have only met her about three times and it was a few years ago now, I wouldn't have told her about cash prizes because I had no idea such things existed.:p I don't see why that would make someone selfish, most mediums are just like other human beings in that they just care about their immediate friends and family I suppose. What do you do to make the world a better place on a daily basis?;)

I would love to see a skeptic see a medium like the one I saw but I assume most skeptics have already made up their mind and would find an explanation for any info they received no matter how far-fetched it sounds. It doesn't bother me as I don't have very fixed opinions on the subject but I haven't ever heard an explanation that makes any sense with regards to my experiences.

Abbymoo

ophellia wrote: »

I guess not feeding people nonsense for a "job" is somewhere to start.

Wonder why these ghosts only appear in "old" houses, no one die in a new build then?

There's plenty of alleged hauntings in modern houses, too.

RevolvingDoor

ophellia wrote: »

I guess not feeding people nonsense for a "job" is somewhere to start.
Wonder why these ghosts only appear in "old" houses, no one die in a new build then?

She had another job, that wasn't her occupation and it was nothing to do with a ghost in a house. She claimed she had dead people talking to her since she was three years old. I'm not trying to convince anyone btw or telling anyone to do anything they disagree with. I'm just sharing my experiences.:)

Welshwoofs

RevolvingDoor wrote: »

What do you do to make the world a better place on a daily basis?;)

Proving that your gifts as a medium are real isn't doing something on a daily basis though is it. It's doing something once in front of scientists. Hardly a big stretch if you're going to bring enlightenment to an entire planet surely? I don't do anything to make the whole world a better place....unfortunately I'm not gifted with an ability that could change humankind's understanding of the afterlife for ever more :(:( I know a lot about hedgehogs though :A

I would love to see a skeptic see a medium like the one I saw but I assume most skeptics have already made up their mind and would find an explanation for any info they received no matter how far-fetched it sounds.

I have been to what was, apparently, a very good medium. It was years ago and I didn't want to, but my best friend of the time did and she wanted support...so I went. The medium told me that I had a kindly old man standing behind me; perhaps a grandfather? She asked. I smiled and off she went into a reading about a kindly old grandfather. The problem was, both my grandfathers were alive and kicking....she hadn't actually asked me if my grandfather was dead, she'd simply asked if the kindly old man was perhaps 'a' grandfather and I didn't reply in the negative.

RevolvingDoor

Welshwoofs wrote: »

Proving that your gifts as a medium are real isn't doing something on a daily basis though is it. It's doing something once in front of scientists. Hardly a big stretch if you're going to bring enlightenment to an entire planet surely? I don't do anything to make the whole world a better place....unfortunately I'm not gifted with an ability that could change humankind's understanding of the afterlife for ever more :(:( I know a lot about hedgehogs though :A

I have been to what was, apparently, a very good medium. It was years ago and I didn't want to, but my best friend of the time did and she wanted support...so I went. The medium told me that I had a kindly old man standing behind me; perhaps a grandfather? She asked. I smiled and off she went into a reading about a kindly old grandfather. The problem was, both my grandfathers were alive and kicking....she hadn't actually asked me if my grandfather was dead, she'd simply asked if the kindly old man was perhaps 'a' grandfather and I didn't reply in the negative.

The information I was told was very specific and not general like that so I can't compare it. As I say I don't care what you think but I can't explain my experiences with the medium through cold reading. I like to think I live ethically and the afterlife doesn't concern me much anyway. If there is consciousness after death I'm sure it will be proven scientifically one day.

Anyway, this thread was meant to be about the OP, not me, so I'm probably digressing too much.:)

bangersnmash

RevolvingDoor wrote: »

I have met one medium who gave me an awful lot of very specific information, not general stuff, really specific and accurate things. She even described perfectly a collection of decorative stones that I had in my garden which she couldn't possibly have guessed from looking at me! I would love a skeptic to meet her to see what they thought. I had no idea she considered herself a medium when I met her and was very taken aback when she started telling me things that she couldn't possibly known or guessed about me. She didn't charge me any money either before you ask.;)

The thing with her and other mediums that I have known other people to see is that I don't think they would care about "proving" themselves to the scientific community as they already believe and so they don't seem particularly interested in fame and fortune or scientific research. I can't explain how that medium seemed to know so much information. I don't know what the explanation is but the cold reading theory doesn't cut it as an explanation for me as the stuff she said was so specific.

RevolvingDoor wrote: »

The information I was told was very specific and not general like that so I can't compare it. As I say I don't care what you think but I can't explain my experiences with the medium through cold reading. I like to think I live ethically and the afterlife doesn't concern me much anyway. If there is consciousness after death I'm sure it will be proven scientifically one day.

Anyway, this thread was meant to be about the OP, not me, so I'm probably digressing too much.:)

So the accurate data was not got via having been told it by you or someone else, cold reading, warm reading or guessing.

Therefore the transmission was from your brain to theirs, also known as telepathy, for which there is lots of known evidence.

Or if not that then from your brain to a third party and then from there to theirs. For which there isn’t any evidence. But which is nevertheless worth bearing in mind in this context as another alternative to consider.

So in your case the medium wasn't a fake or fraudster. But of course many are, as has been exposed lots of times for many years.


Here's what I said about telepathy in May and September :

Consider telepathy, an interesting phenomenon.

Many examples of telepathy are well known and are experienced by large numbers of people. The evidence is compelling and undeniable.

I went to an interesting lecture by one of the foremost researchers in this area, Dr Rupert Sheldrake. He postulates "morphic fields" as a possible explanation of the mechanism at work, the medium of exchange, the transmission and receipt of data that is observably occurring.

Some well known examples include staring at the back of the head which many people respond to. It's been studied a few times, mostly with discernible and statistically relevant results.

In the 70s or 80s the kids' telly program Blue Peter did a study of the staring at the back of the head phenomenon and got lots of kids doing it up and down the country and got about a 60% strike rate, a statistically significant result.

I've tried it on the street and it sometimes works and people look round to see who's staring at them. You can try it yourself quite easily, next time you're out and about.

Another well known one, often mentioned, sometimes you know who it is who's phoning you.

Some people know when loved ones are in pain or danger or dying.

It's also much observed and been documented for many years that dogs often know when their owners are arriving. Dogs and cats respond in a number of ways that appear to be telepathic. Cats are known to sometimes hide when they're going to be taken to the vets. Some other animals also exhibit telepathy.

Less well known are the following :

Soldiers are sometimes trained that it's important not to look at the enemy when monitoring them from a distance because they often know when they're being looked at.

Police doing surveillance sometimes know when the target is arriving prior to the arrival.

Shoplifters sometimes know when the security guards are looking at them. Interestingly this is also sometimes the case when they're being viewed on cctv.

Some people know where their partner is without being told. I knew someone with this awareness.

Remote viewing has been developed by various governments, organisations and individuals with varying degrees of success. The Americans and a number of countries are known to have used it in military applications supposedly with some success and also failure. The known and publicised programs were suspended some years ago but by definition noone knows what is going on covertly.

I haven't recently researched if they're still available but a few years ago there were some residential courses in UK available training people in remote viewing skills and techniques.

There have been studies of prayer at a distance for ill people and supposedly there being some measurable improvement. It's conceivable that benefit from prayer is via telepathy.

Of course current mainstream thinking is that it is not a real phenomenon, despite the known observed evidence :

Telepathy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepathy

These may be of further interest in this context :

Rupert Sheldrake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Sheldrake

Rupert Sheldrake Biologist & Author
http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html

Psychic staring effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Psychic_Staring_Effect

no1catman

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I have been to what was, apparently, a very good medium. It was years ago and I didn't want to, but my best friend of the time did and she wanted support...so I went. The medium told me that I had a kindly old man standing behind me; perhaps a grandfather?

Most 'mediums' have a code of 'Don't feed the Medium' - which means don't give unnecessary information. For example - you shouldn't say - yes he died in a car crash, but wait for that info to come through.
The important word for the info you had was 'perhaps' - whilst it could have been a 'grandfather' it good just as easily been an elderly neighbour who knew you when you were young, and treated you in that way. So, you could have said that both you Grandfathers were still living, and then the medium should have given you more info for you to recall who this might have been.

no1catman

Welshwoofs wrote: »

I'm telling you there are fairies wearing silver deeley boppers who live at the bottom of my garden and sit around singing old Carpenters' tunes. Prove there isn't. Of course you won't be able to. So are the fairies real? What would persuade you they were real....evidence of them perhaps??

Intereting to hear you have Fairies at the bottom of the garden.
You could try - if they'll let you - taking pictures. The only problem with that of course - is that know one will believe them - 'you can do wonders these days with special effects'.
Still if enough people have experienced something similar - who knows you could build up a body of empirical evidence - to validate it - good luck.