Universal Jobmatch - Mandatory from next year

john539

mvengemvenge wrote: »

30 minutes on UJ would find you enough jobs to apply for to NOT get your JSA stopped, John, and that's only one website. I think you'll find that, faced with losing 4 weeks benefit, it's worth making the effort to get 30 minutes on a computer. Every town/area has a few places the Job Centre can send you to use computers?

Why should you? Because you want money.

That sums the incompetency of the Jobcentre & its staff in understanding what is needed, the time & effort in finding suitable jobs to apply for.

mvengemvenge

john539 wrote: »

That sums the incompetency of the Jobcentre & its staff in understanding what is needed, the time & effort in finding suitable jobs to apply for.

You misunderstand.

30 minutes on one site is enough not to get your JSA stopped. I wasn't saying that what serious job seekers should do. I would be applying for 30 jobs a week if I was out of work now. Many people signing on don't even manage 3.

Suitable? Any job you are physically and mentally capable of doing is a suitable job. You clearly don't understand the rules of JSA very well.

andy2004

You'd think you'd be able to find 30 jobns to apply for, lol.
With over 6million people unemployed and rising. and jobs whats left out there, and most of those are carers wanted. which not everyone is suitable for. Hell just look at the new when the hospital with ended up paying out for screwups made by its staff.
Where are these NEW JOBS coming from.
What i'd like to know is what the JC advisors would do if everyone in the country who was unemployed got a job and there where no more unemployed. for the simple reason THEY would be the unemployed and wouldnt be required then.
even more so, when they applied for jobs where the person seeing them would happen to be someone they sanctioned.
I know what i would say to them if i where that person.

getting back on track. Why is it whenever i'm told you'll hear by friday from the jobcentre I never do. Take last tuesday after i was told a doubt has risen and as i was leaving you'll hear by friday how long you'll be sanctioned for, and what happened, I got a letter stating a "Doubt and risen" but nothing about the length.
I'm making a new years resolution about what i'm going to do to the next advisor who sanctions me for BS. cause after 5 sanctions in 5 months. 3 of which where reinstated and the current one i'm on, but the new one thats about to start when i get told WHEN and how long for is really starting to p*** me off.
Especially when i'm talked to from an advisor like i shouldnt even be there signing. example last tuesday "is it even worth you coming down here and signing as WE'RE only going to stop your benefits."
funny how is seems They are allowed to threaten your only way of living, and think that their actions have no consequences.
Not thats its much when it comes to living.
Just that little bit of paper you get 3 pages long on page 3 states
The amount of money the LAW states YOU NEED TO LIVE ON. and the advisors can take it away just like that.
Know what else is funny, but also fact, some one who's just come out of prison for whatever reason gets more help finding work, treated better than someone who been unemployed just as long as the sentence of the of the ex-prisoner.
Theres a war coming.. and the governments going to lose big time.

csmw

john539 wrote: »

Internet is not available in Jobcentres, not any of the ones I have seen.

A lot of Jobcentre jobs weren't advertised online.

DWP has rolled out the UJM system which doesn't work, forcing people to use it with unknown implications for many.

You're oblivious because it doesn't matter.

You are clueless, you're not aware of the chaos because you're in it. You're all turning a blind eye covering your backs.

There is no reasoning with people like you, you sit there at your computer criticising... Yet you have offered no solutions or ideas of how things that you believe ate in chaos can be improved.

Oh btw if you asked at the jcp there is Internet available!!!!

john539

csmw wrote: »

There is no reasoning with people like you, you sit there at your computer criticising... Yet you have offered no solutions or ideas of how things that you believe ate in chaos can be improved.

Oh btw if you asked at the jcp there is Internet available!!!!

DWP has rolled out a system in a rush that doesn't work to fulfill a government ideology.

Iain Duncan Smith is spouting the lie that UJM is a revolution & wonderful, what a clueless idiot.

The Jobpoints don't work & telephone Jobseeker Direct doesn't work & have been reduced to chaos.

There is no visible internet & no offer of of internet access to anybody, so it isn't availaible.

DWP & Jobcentres are clueless, incompetent & stupid.

The solution is you test things before you roll them out, as DWP knows.

Discussing with you is pointless, you are lowlife in Jobcentre, you just do what you're told blindly & follow rules to "feed your family", while implementing system designed to sanction & starve people.
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GMbabies

csmw wrote: »

I know exactly why the rules are there and I'm doing my job based upon the guidelines that we have.

Do I have to agree with all of them no, but do I have to follow them yes as I'm am paid to do so.

And before you judge...I am the same as any other advisor doing my job to feed their family and pay bills the same as you would in my situation.

Question for you.
I don't mind prospective employers looking into my details but the way the current UJM is set up, anybody, any scammers can sign up as potential employer even though job doesn't exists. How are DWP policing such situation? I personally don't want to end up in a situation where, for instance, my neighbours or stalkers signing up and gaining my information if they are not genuine employer. So far a few joe blog has created an employer's account to test how easily the website could be abused for their gain and they created the account quite easily. I do have genuine concern since DWP is breaching the Data Protection Act.

GMbabies

john539 wrote: »

Libraries are not a government service & not designed to provide sustained periods of job search, others places are limited or cost money.

You're following rules, Jobcentres are in chaos, with staff just like you implementing rules, yet you don't have a a clue.

Agree. My library only allows me to use the computer one hour each day. There is so much you can do within an hour.

GMbabies

john539 wrote: »

DWP has rolled out a system in a rush that doesn't work to fulfill a government ideology.

Iain Duncan Smith is spouting the lie that UJM is a revolution & wonderful, what a clueless idiot.

The Jobpoints don't work & telephone Jobseeker Direct doesn't work & have been reduced to chaos.

There is no visible internet & no offer of of internet access to anybody, so it isn't availaible.

DWP & Jobcentres are incompetent & stupid.

The solution is you test things before you roll them out, as DWP knows.

Discussing with you is pointless, you are lowlife in Jobcentre, you just do what you're told blindly & follow rules to "feed your family", while implementing system designed to sanction & starve people.

I agree that DWP should have done a through testing before rolling out the system. The problem is that there is no incentive for DWP. If the system fails, they can either blame and sanction the jobseekers or throw their hands up in the air and say 'it failed'. There will be no backlash because the government will not punish them....are they? :rotfl: Whereas, if it's a commercial websites, "bad system=loss of sales" so they've got to make the website work and make sure it is secure otherwise they lose trust from customers.

denla

GMbabies wrote: »

Agree. My library only allows me to use the computer one hour each day. There is so much you can do within an hour.

Mine is 30 minutes per session and 1hr in total per day, so after 30 minutes if there's someone else needing the computer you must wait. And if computers are pre-booked you might not get access until the following day.

GMbabies

andy2004 wrote: »

You'd think you'd be able to find 30 jobns to apply for, lol.
With over 6million people unemployed and rising. and jobs whats left out there, and most of those are carers wanted. which not everyone is suitable for.

I've said it before but not just redundancies and companies going bankrupt, everything is becoming automated which means that cashiers at supermarkets have been replaced by self-checkouts which the business don't have to pay its holiday, sick pay, pension etc That's just supermarkets I'm talking about. How about call centres? Again, thesedays, payments can be made without ever speaking to a person so that's another lot of people made redundant. So where are new jobs created to compensate massive loss happening across all industries?