Not 'doing' Santa

Welshwoofs

thatgirlsam wrote: »

Have you been beleiving stories in the Daily Mail again... tut
:rotfl:

Oh I always believe stories about the stupidity of the average modern parent
(She says being deliberately provocative...)

This chap wasn't happy about it either....though that wasn't surprising given his occupation

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/8668316.Outcry_as_reindeer_steaks_go_on_sale_at_Bournemouth_and_Poole_supermarkets/

skintchick

shegirl wrote: »

Bit late for that after somebody came out with the comment about 'parents should be protecting their children' with regard to Santa

I wasn't specifically targeting you with my comment. I just meant it as a general plea not to turn this thread into one about paed.ophilia. Because in the context of this thread it's a bit of a red herring. I know you didn't start the topic, I was just hoping we could all bring an end to it.

Person_one

skintchick wrote: »

As for white lies, no I don't tell them. I either find something positive to say or I don't say anything. It takes practice but its easy once you're used to doing it. Usually there is something positive that can be said.

You know, most adults can see through this really easily, so by doing it you've decided that your desire to never tell even a white lie is more important than potentially hurting their feelings or insulting them.

Which is the more moral position, to refuse to lie for selfish reasons or to tell a white lie for a selfless reason?

OrkneyStar

Person_one wrote: »

You know, most adults can see through this really easily, so by doing it you've decided that your desire to never tell even a white lie is more important than potentially hurting their feelings or insulting them.

Which is the more moral position, to refuse to lie for selfish reasons or to tell a white lie for a selfless reason?

I try not to lie either, I sometimes don't comment, sometimes say something like 'not to my taste but we are all different', I would much rather someone be honest with me than lie so they don't feel bad about telling me the truth.

skintchick

Person_one wrote: »

You know, most adults can see through this really easily, so by doing it you've decided that your desire to never tell even a white lie is more important than potentially hurting their feelings or insulting them.

Which is the more moral position, to refuse to lie for selfish reasons or to tell a white lie for a selfless reason?

I think I need some specific examples as I've not come across that. I find people take what I say just fine. I'm struggling to think of a situation like you're suggesting.

Person_one

skintchick wrote: »

I think I need some specific examples as I've not come across that. I find people take what I say just fine. I'm struggling to think of a situation like you're suggesting.

Of course people will 'take it' fine, most people are very polite and won't call you out on BS even if they can spot it a mile away.

"Does this dress look ok on me?" if they're just walking into a wedding or interview and there's no way they can change it, just say 'yes'.

"Is my ex husband's new wife prettier/cleverer than me?" Just say no.

"Isn't my baby one of the cutest you've ever seen?" Just yes, always!

There are tons of situations where telling a white lie is completely harmless and is a real kindness to the other person. I think your own desire to maintain a pretty pointless standard should come second to other people's feelings, even if you can get away with it most of the time, why is it so important?

mumps

Person_one wrote: »

Of all the arguments against letting children have a harmless belief in Father Christmas, I never thought for a minute that 'he might be a pedo' would be one of them.

The News of the World has a lot to answer for.

If you don't like the idea of visiting Santa in a grotto, you can still have him bring presents to the house.

Here's a video of some children who've been dealt a crap hand in life visiting Father Christmas and his workshop in Lapland. If anyone can watch that and tell me they should be denied the experience then I give up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmQyZ5OG_qM

Bless them, I feel quite choked up.

pulliptears

skintchick wrote: »

I think I need some specific examples as I've not come across that. I find people take what I say just fine. I'm struggling to think of a situation like you're suggesting.

Here's one. Picture a small child, aged around 4. He's been ill on and off throughout his short life with a brain tumor.

The tumor returns just after his 4th birthday and he says "Mummy am I going to die"

Do you use the white lie and let him live out the rest of his days happily and worry free, or do you tell him the truth and let him worry.

OrkneyStar

Person_one wrote: »

Of course people will 'take it' fine, most people are very polite and won't call you out on BS even if they can spot it a mile away.

"Does this dress look ok on me?" if they're just walking into a wedding or interview and there's no way they can change it, just say 'yes'. response- do you feel ok?

"Is my ex husband's new wife prettier/cleverer than me?" Just say no. response- we are all good at different things surely?

"Isn't my baby one of the cutest you've ever seen?" Just yes, always! response- no my baby was the cutest lol, laughing with wink! seriously aren't babies great?

There are tons of situations where telling a white lie is completely harmless and is a real kindness to the other person. I think your own desire to maintain a pretty pointless standard should come second to other people's feelings, even if you can get away with it most of the time, why is it so important?

Suggested responses in red .

mumps

OrkneyStar wrote: »

I try not to lie either, I sometimes don't comment, sometimes say something like 'not to my taste but we are all different', I would much rather someone be honest with me than lie so they don't feel bad about telling me the truth.

I hate it when people say something like, "not to my taste but we are all different." I feel more insulted than if they say, "No, its vile."