MSE News: Benefits to rise by less than inflation: full breakdown

RazWaz

Hmm, I'm slightly confused about this

My ESA is 1%
My DLA is 2.2%

My disability premium on ESA (The £50+ one)? 1% or 2.2%? Seems like it's 1% because of ESA but it's paid because no one gets carers allowance for me, which is 2.2%

starrystarry

BurnleyBob wrote: »

The household figure is, I believe, 85% or 86%. As you may know, there are many benefits that are not income related, Child Benefit being one.

So can you point us to a source for that? I'm struggling to believe that my household is in a small minority group.

BurnleyBob

No, I can't point you to a .gov website that says the percentage.

Of the last ten households I visited the ratio was 100%. Four pensioners. Two families on lousy wages, both with kids under 16. An accountant and his teacher wife with two kids under 16. A single mother of one working part-time living in social housing. An unemployed single male in his mortgaged house. And another working household with an adult child still at home who's also unemployed.

I'm presuming that all of them entitled to collect Tax Credits, State Pension, Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit, SMI, JSA, Child Benefit and Income support did so.

Of the last 10 households you visited, have a guess which were in receipt of at least one benefit. Remember, there's a vast array of them. Perhaps then you won't be so surprised.

StephenM_2

schrodie wrote: »

This may help Here

Cheers for that. At last the thread lives up to the "full breakdown" in the title.

starrystarry

BurnleyBob wrote: »

No, I can't point you to a .gov website that says the percentage.

Of the last ten households I visited the ratio was 100%. Four pensioners. Two families on lousy wages, both with kids under 16. An accountant and his teacher wife with two kids under 16. A single mother of one working part-time living in social housing. An unemployed single male in his mortgaged house. And another working household with an adult child still at home who's also unemployed.

I'm presuming that all of them entitled to collected Tax Credits, State Pension, Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit, SMI, JSA and Income support do collect.

Of the last 10 households you visited, have a guess which were in receipt of at least one benefit. Remember, there's a vast array of them. Perhaps then you won't be so surprised.

Ok, I won't bore you with ten but the last few households I visited...

Me and my OH, both employed in decent jobs, no kids = no benefits.

My next-door neighbours are a couple in their twenties, both employed full time in decent jobs, no kids = no benefits.

My sister and her OH, both in their forties, no kids, she works, he's currently unemployed but not entitled to any JSA etc = no benefits.

My other sister and her OH, both in their forties, both employed in good jobs, one kid = child benefit only (and that'll stop when the new rules come in).

My friend, single, employed, no kids = no benefits.

This is by no means a scientific sample so it's kind of meaningless. As is your sample.

BurnleyBob

My acquaintances appear to have a higher sperm count than yours do.

I think this article gets us much closer to the mid 80% if we factor in CB and State Pension on top. http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1760/over_half_of_uk_households_are_net_beneficiaries_of_the_state

- The UK Office for National Statistics produced new data on request from the CPS to show that the proportion of non-retired households receiving a cash benefit other than child benefit rose from 40.3 per cent in 2000/01 to 44.6 per cent in 2010/11 – an increase of over a million households. -

starrystarry

BurnleyBob wrote: »

My acquaintances appear to have a higher sperm count than yours do.

I could counter that my acquaintances appear to be more responsible than yours do.

BurnleyBob

That's one way of putting it (as the vicar said to the choirboy).

There's 6.7 million pensioner households in the UK according to the Office for National Statistics. http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/pensions/pension-trends/chapter-12--household-pension-resources--2012-edition-/art-pension-trends-chapter-12.html#tab-Key-points

6.7 million households represent 26% of the UK's total of 26.3M. Add those to the 44.6% and we're at 70.6% of households in receipt of at least one benefit. Now to discover what proportion of households are in receipt of just Child Benefit to arrive at a total percentage.

I'll wager you a hefty sum it's over 80%. How about it?

princessdon

So if those statistics are true, given how many people have just been given £10 for a Christmas bonus (that they can't really do a lot with), how much could our govt have saved to reduce the deficit?

BurnleyBob

The £1,100B (one trillion and one hundred billion pounds) total national debt figure is the government's own official estimate. You can watch it rise here http://www.debtbombshell.com/ at £6,000 every second.

Whatever all those ten pounds amount to equates to a pittance.