The Polls - Labour Lead At 14 - Is It The Economy?

Thrugelmir

Originally Posted by DecentLivingWage
but I do feel that the worst mistake the Cons/Cameron ever made was to insult the intelligence of the voters (not learning either, still pretending Plan A will work when now almost whole world says it won't - voters are canny & better educated than ever before - they can see through it - hence polls )

What a load of tosh........

Conrad

GeorgeHowell wrote: »

True, but the trouble is that large swathes of the electorate want those sweeties and can be politically seduced by those who offer them. I

I think as long as the economy is slowly rebelancing and jobs are being created, come 2015 the momentum will be with the Tories.

I can envisage Labour being framed as 'back to rights without responsibility, back to welfare for the shirkers, back to diversity officers instead of engineers, back to debt instead of book balancing, back to regulations instead of job creation'

It could be quite a sell.

GeorgeHowell

Conrad wrote: »

I think as long as the economy is slowly rebelancing and jobs are being created, come 2015 the momentum will be with the Tories.

I can envisage Labour being framed as 'back to rights without responsibility, back to welfare for the shirkers, back to diversity officers instead of engineers, back to debt instead of book balancing, back to regulations instead of job creation'

It could be quite a sell.

It certainly could. But I do wonder whether this Tory leadership has the sense and the backbone to hammer home such messages. They are trying to be all things to all men, preoccuccied with gaining the famed centre ground. Is a government that is willing to ramrod through gay marriage by using the Parliament Act, in order to prove its liberal credentials, going to hammer home messages about welfare shirkers and about what a waste of time the diversity industry is in an election campaign ? Or is it going to be too frightened of all the inevitable negative reaction from the likes of the BBC, the Guardian, and the self-appointed liberal elite chattering classes ?

BertieUK

Conrad wrote: »

For me weak leadership would be showering the electorate with borrowed money. Like children voting for sweeties.

Strong leadership is sometimes about setting the tough course and seeing it through.

I think that the electorate will be a lot more wary of just how much they are going to pay for these sweeties and where the money is coming from to pay for them.

zagubov

Generali wrote: »

I can't think of another English politician that really speaks to people in that way. Perhaps Salmond does to Scots? I don't know whether he does but I'd be interested to hear opinions.

Boris struck me as the nearest person in English poilitics to Salmond. An affable person who doesn't look as sharp as he actually is.

You could easily underestimate him but I've spotted from being in education that looking clever and being clever aren't one and the same.

I mentioned a while bask that I want the people in charge to be cleverer than me. Or as clever as me, which isn't much and therefore isn't a big ask.

DecentLivingWage

Bit early to say for sure, but looks as if Labour and LibDems have increased their lead over the Cons since eve of polling,thru speech delivery & EdM s 'In' comment at PMQs. Need more polls, but Cameron took a gigantic risk - is this first sign of which way coin landed for him and his political career? PS Bouncy Old Farage - he stays the same!!! lol

Moby

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Bit early to say for sure, but looks as if Labour and LibDems have increased their lead over the Cons since eve of polling,thru speech delivery & EdM s 'In' comment at PMQs. Need more polls, but Cameron took a gigantic risk - is this first sign of which way coin landed for him and his political career? PS Bouncy Old Farage - he stays the same!!! lol

Come on ....lets see these polls!

DecentLivingWage

LoL, sorry about that - it was YouGov! (just got in - shattered !)

DecentLivingWage

Ooops, update! Lead is now actually More than that!

2 more polls ,now since eu speech :

omg omg omg Ukip up to 10% & Lab up 4 !!

The voters deliver their verdict and tell Dave where to put his speech it seems!

(TNS-BMRB poll)

and

new YouGov tonight

Silly Dave to fall into the UnderDog Trap (poor Nige ll get a lorralorra luv for that! The Martyr effect) Those ukippers are NOT going anywhere! Funny that... their polling was actually waning til that speech!

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

DecentLivingWage wrote: »

Ukip up to 10% & Lab up 4 !!

:rotfl:

Seems the voters have seen right through this pathetic shallow political ploy and told Dave to "do one".

No surprise there then.:D