grandparents finding grandchildren difficult

plumpmouse

Torry_Quine wrote: »

As others have said it was always a sign on the bus. It needs to go back, in my opinion.



That's what parents did do actually but I'm not advocating going back to that. Merely saying that the right to a seat for each child is not universally seen as the norm. If adults with children wish to go by bus at peak times they shouldn't automatically expect preferential treatment.

Surely if the parent and child get the seat first they aren't expecting "preferential treatment". It was free, they sat on it, that is what a seat is for.

Surely the only people expecting "preferential treatment" are the people requesting the child move.

plumpmouse

Dunroamin wrote: »

From http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/railcards-discounts/children-discounts.html

"Children under five years of age
Up to two children under five years of age may accompany each fare-paying passenger free of charge, unless the Train Company you want to use specifies otherwise in their notices and other publications. However, children under five years of age who are travelling free may only occupy a seat which is not required by a fare-paying passenger."

So what this is actually saying is that anyone over 5 is entitled to stay sitting on their seat.

Sambucus_Nigra

Torry_Quine wrote: »

As others have said it was always a sign on the bus. It needs to go back, in my opinion.

You mentioned children who paid cheaper fares; but again if your reasoning is correct - a 6 year old [whose parent has paid half fare] should get priority over a 66 year old [who gets a free bus pass]?

Interesting.

Sambucus_Nigra

Dunroamin wrote: »

One thing I'll take away from this thread is that, the next time I see a child not giving up his/her seat for an adult, I'll know that it really is the parents' fault!

Or - if they are over 5, then they are very good readers and are simply obeying the rules.

peachyprice

Dunroamin wrote: »

From http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/railcards-discounts/children-discounts.html

"Children under five years of age
Up to two children under five years of age may accompany each fare-paying passenger free of charge, unless the Train Company you want to use specifies otherwise in their notices and other publications. However, children under five years of age who are travelling free may only occupy a seat which is not required by a fare-paying passenger."

Thanks for that, that confirms that children OVER five are under no obligation to give up their seat for a fare paying passenger, just as we have been saying. Well done in finding that.

Sambucus_Nigra

Dunroamin

peachyprice wrote: »

Thanks for that, that confirms that children OVER five are under no obligation to give up their seat for a fare paying passenger, just as we have been saying. Well done in finding that.

No, the only children who are obliged to do this are those whose parents have brought them up properly.;)

peachyprice

Dunroamin wrote: »

No, the only children who are obliged to do this are those whose parents have brought them up properly.;)

Or those who have been brought up to be subservient.;)

FBaby

If you're sitting in a bus and happened to have missed breakfast, and see a kid getting a mars bar out of his bag, would you also expect him to hand them over to you? After all, he should do so if he's been brought up to respect his elders and your need for food is likely to be more than his. Oh and if you have forgotten your jumper, but see a nice 16 year old with a warm jacket, will you tell him that if he had good manners he would take it out and give it to you as you are clearly shivering and cold?

Where does good manners and respect for the elders stop?

I personally think this 'you need to give up your seat for elders' is one of those all fashioned habits that stuck without common sense behind it to explain it. No one here has yet explained the rationale behind it (beyong helping those clearly in need).

Mojisola

peachyprice wrote: »

Or those who have been brought up to be subservient.;)

I've never thought about it before but the people I know who have the best manners and will open doors, give up seats, etc, are the most confident, rounded personalities around.