grandparents finding grandchildren difficult

Pansy_Potter

Sounds like a case of Grumpy Granny syndrome! I am a Granny myself and wholly believe in leaving discipline issues to the parents. I am there to play with and enjoy my lovely grandchildren, not to chastise them. I fully support my own children in bringing up their children in the manner they believe to be correct. To go against the wishes of the children I love and respect would be a fundamental breach of trust.

Torry_Quine

thatgirlsam wrote: »

You can live in hope that someone will find you superior enough to deserve a seat more than them.

I live in hope that children, and/or anyone else, can be seen as valuable members of society and not second class citizens.

I'm out. Off down south now to take my 'scrotes' to Bath Christmas market, hopefully they won't disrespect anyone while they're there.;)

Children aren't second class citizens and I've never said they are. I don't feel or expect anyone to find me superior.

Enjoy the market.

Nicki wrote: »

But how do you come to this conclusion when adults on a moving bus or tube mostly need to hold on to something either all or some of the time to give them stability? Children of the age you are discussing are not tall enough to hold on to most of the available grab handles which are provided for safety because they are overhead mounted. Unless the bus or tube is not particularly crowded, so the child can get access to the ONE central support pole in the middle, then they will most likely fall over on a moving bus or when it starts or stops suddenly and will get hurt, when an adult in the same circumstances would not because they are tall enough to hold on permanently or to grab a support if they feel they are losing their balance.

Buses here are not set out like that though. People who stand can hold on to the back of the seats, isn't this the norm! I'm not even tall enough to reach the overhead straps and we don't have a central pole.

Dunroamin

Nicki wrote: »

But how do you come to this conclusion when adults on a moving bus or tube mostly need to hold on to something either all or some of the time to give them stability? Children of the age you are discussing are not tall enough to hold on to most of the available grab handles which are provided for safety because they are overhead mounted. Unless the bus or tube is not particularly crowded, so the child can get access to the ONE central support pole in the middle, then they will most likely fall over on a moving bus or when it starts or stops suddenly and will get hurt, when an adult in the same circumstances would not because they are tall enough to hold on permanently or to grab a support if they feel they are losing their balance.

As was mentioned earlier, transport in many people's home areas has hand supports on the back of the seats and regularly spaced poles rather than overhead grips and one central support. Not everybody has been talking about comparable situations.

POPPYOSCAR

Pansy_Potter wrote: »

Sounds like a case of Grumpy Granny syndrome! I am a Granny myself and wholly believe in leaving discipline issues to the parents. I am there to play with and enjoy my lovely grandchildren, not chastise them. I fully support my own children in bringing up their children up in the manner they believe to be correct. To go against the wishes of the children I love and respect would be a fundamental breach of trust.

Exactly the same here.

If anything I would say that their parents are even stricter with them than we were.

Like you we never interfere, they are their children and it is up to them how they bring them up.

The only time we would interfere would be if we thought they were in any kind of danger etc.

Dunroamin

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

Exactly the same here.

If anything I would say that their parents are even stricter with them than we were.

Like you we never interfere, they are their children and it is up to them how they bring them up.

The only time we would interfere would be if we thought they were in any kind of danger etc.

Of course, the trouble arises (and this was the original point of the thread) when the opposite is the case and grandparents can't enjoy their grandchildren as much as they would like because of their bad behaviour.

peachyprice

Torry_Quine wrote: »

If too old to sit on the adult's lap then they are old enough to stand up, unless some medical condition.

But you're young and fit enough to stand up, so why do you feel you are superior to a child who is old enough to stand up?

I really, really can't see why just because you are an adult you feel you deserve to sit while a standing child might struggle to hold on tight, that really is quite warped logic.

Dunroamin

peachyprice wrote: »

But you're young and fit enough to stand up, so why do you feel you are superior to a child who is old enough to stand up?

Nobody who's posted that children should stand for adults has said or implied in any way that they are superior to children; that's just a word that's been thrown around by those who don't agree with it.

Torry_Quine

peachyprice wrote: »

But you're young and fit enough to stand up, so why do you feel you are superior to a child who is old enough to stand up?

I really, really can't see why just because you are an adult you feel you deserve to sit while a standing child might struggle to hold on tight, that really is quite warped logic.

I haven't actually said my age or health but they aren't relevant. How many times do I have to say it, I don't feel superior. :mad:

If a child can't hold on then they should be on the lap of the adult.

Nicki

Torry_Quine wrote: »

If a child can't hold on then they should be on the lap of the adult.

But you said you were also not tall enough to hold on! Does that mean you should sit in the lap of a taller travelling companion if all the seats are already occupied by grown ups

peachyprice

Dunroamin wrote: »

Nobody who's posted that children should stand for adults has said or implied in any way that they are superior to children; that's just a word that's been thrown around by those who don't agree with it.

What other reason is there for feeling, as an able bodied adult, they have the right to be seated while a child struggles to stand?