Housing Benefit under occupancy Help

Heycock

thanks Lighting. It would be interesting to see what the figures would be if they did an update. Magically entry rates in the private sector here now mirror almost exactly the LHA rates. Which is great if your theoretical official needs coincide but if like me LHA is on the one room rate but realistic care based need is for 2 beds than there's an immediate shortfall. The difference in my case is actually just over £200 ....the way the system works in my favour, AT THE MOMENT, means the money side isn't a worry. My desire to get into scial is purely for security. But I realise I am possibly in a small minority here who doesn't worry for the money angle. My concern is on behalf of others to whom £70 never mind£200 is a genuine problem.

Dunroamin

Morlock wrote: »

The old rules discount single people being able to bid on two-bedroom properties, they would only be eligible to bid on one-bedroom properties.

But nanny says that all the flats in her block are occupied by single people, despite being 2 beds.

Heycock

Also, the kind of accomodation actually needed is not available in the private sector...2 bed bungalow. Thankfully the need is not immediate so I can bide my time to a degree.

nixe

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

I really don't know what you are blathering on about now. How many bedrooms will HB pay for your household when it changes in April?

it will pay for 3 bedrooms although all bedrooms are used,
its about how this is a great idea to attack the poor and disabled,
families etc, to break up communties by forcing people who cant afford this tax to move and those who cant find a one or two bedroomed flat into more povity than they are already in.
crime is going to go up but i take it in your ivory tower
it will not affect you.

Morlock

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

And the more efficient use of Social Housing will do just that.

There is no guarantee of more efficient use, that depends on the behaviour of those affected. If they all stay put, yes there will be a saving, mostly at the expense of single, disabled women who will effectively have benefits slashed, but efficiency will not have been improved at all.

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

That would be a valid argument. However, during the same period, the average number of bids for a 1 bed unit in Bradford was 37.1.... Lower than 2 beds, lower than 3 beds. Same source as before.

And remember, YOU chose Bradford as an example.

The Bradford stats that you continuously regurgitate prove nothing.

nixe

Dunroamin wrote: »

Is that the same as 4 beds?

yer can have flat with 2 rooms for me and say daughter
and flat for hubby and son and will pay no tax.
its just plain stupid.

lighting_up_the_chalice

Morlock wrote: »

Absolute rubbish. Shared parenting is not taken in to consideration when allocating social housing, there can only be one official parent with care. I challenge you to produce one housing policy in the UK which considers shared care parenting as a reason to award an extra room to an otherwise single person.

So, another 5 minute search and......

http://www.compasscbl.org.uk/Data/ASPPages/1/44.aspx?PropertyID=36363

http://www.compasscbl.org.uk/Data/ASPPages/1/44.aspx?PropertyID=36349

http://www.compasscbl.org.uk/Data/ASPPages/1/44.aspx?PropertyID=36356

All 2 beds... All advertised as "Suitable for a single person or couple".... Or is that another figment of my imagination?

If you know Social Housing, this is the easy stuff.

Dunroamin

nixe wrote: »

it will pay for 3 bedrooms although all bedrooms are used,
its about how this is a great idea to attack the poor and disabled,
families etc, to break up communties by forcing people who cant afford this tax to move and those who cant find a one or two bedroomed flat into more povity than they are already in.
crime is going to go up but i take it in your ivory tower
it will not affect you.

You've already said what a run down area Wythenshawe is - surely any caring parent would want their children to live somewhere better

Morlock

Dunroamin wrote: »

But nanny says that all the flats in her block are occupied by single people, despite being 2 beds.

Yes, because in her area, two-bedroom, social housing properties are not in such demand, therefore single people are allocated two-bedroom properties where one-bedroom properties are not available. This is also why occasionally, shared care parents are allocated an extra room, they have no entitlement to that room, housing stock dictates that they are fortunate.

In areas of high under-occupancy there are low rates of over-occupancy, in areas with high rates of over-occupancy there are low rates of under-occupancy.

lighting_up_the_chalice

Dunroamin wrote: »

But nanny says that all the flats in her block are occupied by single people, despite being 2 beds.

Apparently, that's just impossible. You and I both know it happens because we see it every single day, but Morecock says not, so it just cannot be so.