Housing Benefit under occupancy Help

Morlock

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

A single person can (and many do) bid on 2 bed properties. I even gave you links to some 2 beds that are available for single people to bid on this week.

Some single people are entitled to bid on two-bedroom properties, having shared care does not grant that entitlement.

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

Very few allocation policies (in fact, I know of none) will specify who can bid for what in terms of property size.

Bidding, winning the bid and being entitled to occupy that property are separate issues entirely. There is absolutely no point in a single person with no entitlement to more than one bedroom bidding on a 5 bedroom property, even if a badly designed system allows them to do so.

nixe

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

Sorry to hear about you recent health issues. Maybe it's time you had a rest, huh?

thanx i am on tablets so hopefully it wont happen again.
but there are people out there and they are not sick yet
no-one knows whats in store for them.
but sercurity is one of the main things disabled people need
not someone who is blind moving miles away from there
surport/family.
hubby has all signs parkinsons he has distonia.
now me having my own space would be a help to my health
but he could not cope with it at all.

princessdon

nixe wrote: »

thanx i am on tablets so hopefully it wont happen again.
but there are people out there and they are not sick yet
no-one knows whats in store for them.
but sercurity is one of the main things disabled people need
not someone who is blind moving miles away from there
surport/family.
hubby has all signs parkinsons he has distonia.
now me having my own space would be a help to my health
but he could not cope with it at all.

The problem is those "lines in the sand". Where do you draw them?

All those who claim DLA, certain groups only, those with mobility, those with Mental Health. What about those not claiming DLA but have disabilities?

Then you get the other side of the line drawn. Those on £71 pw who think that those with disabilities have the means to stay as they get more money (they feel that they have to move and have no choice to stay). They are also been hit with Coucil Tax whilst disabled don't pay, so have less money.

What would your proposals be?

Someone can stay until the first suitable home (private or SH) is available within 20 miles?

10 miles?

SH only?


There is no policy that can ever be immplented that won't cause pain and hardship to others or unfairness to those in Private Rental.

mazza111

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

If people under-occupying 2 beds don't move, there will be less availability for the underoccupiers of 3 beds (and serious underoccupiers of 4 beds) to move to. If underoccupiers of 3 beds don't move, there will be less availability for the underoccupiers of 4 beds (and serious underoccupiers of 5 beds) to move to... and so on.

But there is no where for them to move to in this area. There are 7 one bedroom flats (private) for rent in this town at the moment. I imagine there are many more than 7 in 2 bedroom flats who are classed as being under occupied. There aren't a lot of one bedroom social flats in the area either. The ones that are are usually bungalows for the elderly or sheltered housing flats.

princessdon

mazza111 wrote: »

But there is no where for them to move to in this area. There are 7 one bedroom flats (private) for rent in this town at the moment. I imagine there are many more than 7 in 2 bedroom flats who are classed as being under occupied. There aren't a lot of one bedroom social flats in the area either. The ones that are are usually bungalows for the elderly or sheltered housing flats.

So do you think advocating this to Local Authorities who have better knowledge of their own area would have been best?

In my area there are more 1 bed's than 2 on the bidding system (SH) so it's the 2 bed they'd want to target.

lighting_up_the_chalice

Morlock wrote: »

Some single people are entitled to bid on two-bedroom properties, having shared care does not grant that entitlement.

Let me remind you what you said......

Morlock wrote: »

You stated that in many areas, otherwise single parents without care can bid on two-bedroom properties, they cannot bid because they have no entitlement to a spare room for their child(ren) according to local housing policy.

So, they cannot bid, but they can bid. But you aren't contradicting yourself.... no siree.

Morlock wrote: »

Bidding, winning the bid and being entitled to occupy that property are separate issues entirely. There is absolutely no point in a single person with no entitlement to more than one bedroom bidding on a 5 bedroom property, even if a badly designed system allows them to do so.

ALL CBL systems link entitlement to the facility to bid on an individual property. So, discounting human error when advertising a property, no-one will be able to bid for that which they are not entitled to. So, bidding and entitlement are inextricably linked.

lighting_up_the_chalice

mazza111 wrote: »

But there is no where for them to move to in this area. There are 7 one bedroom flats (private) for rent in this town at the moment. I imagine there are many more than 7 in 2 bedroom flats who are classed as being under occupied. There aren't a lot of one bedroom social flats in the area either. The ones that are are usually bungalows for the elderly or sheltered housing flats.

It unusual, to say the least, to get that kind of disparity in stock between the private and social sector. If, as you say, there is a glut of 2 bed Social Housing stock in the area, that would reduce demand for 2 bed private rents which will push rents down to attract those who get the 1 bed LHA rate.

nannytone_2

so we should gibe up a secure tenancy with a HA to take a 2 bed property with no cesurity from a private landlord?

Morlock

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

ALL CBL systems link entitlement to the facility to bid on an individual property. So, discounting human error when advertising a property, no-one will be able to bid for that which they are not entitled to. So, bidding and entitlement are inextricably linked.

But you convinced me that there was no inextricable link between bidding and entitlement:

lighting_up_the_chalice wrote: »

Very few allocation policies (in fact, I know of none) will specify who can bid for what in terms of property size.

Property size being the number of bedrooms to which they may or may not be entitled to.

lighting_up_the_chalice

nannytone wrote: »

so we should gibe up a secure tenancy with a HA to take a 2 bed property with no cesurity from a private landlord?

Or pay the modest shortfall for your spare bedroom. It's those choices again. You cannot have your cake and eat it.