Miele cat and dog, or other best vacum

kwatt

Sebo is all I'll say.

I work with appliances, the last thing I want to be doing is repairing my own.

K.

sloughflint

Further to my comment above, my Miele has just died. Have I been struggling with a duff one for the last 7 years? Put me off them totally despite the raving comments in this thread.
Even when it was new, I thought the turbobrush was rubbish. Is black cat hair harder to get off than dog hair?
So what can I buy now? Wouldn't it be good to have a try before you buy service. I feel like that about ovens too.

Justamum

I'm looking to buy a new vacuum too. I've got a Vax Turboforce 1700 and it really struggles with fluff and my daughters' long hair. I have to pick it up with my fingers and it's like picking up cobwebs the hairs are so spread out! The problem is the the "powerful brush bar" isn't actually working and hasn't for ages. When I realised the problem I checked and found the belt had snapped, so I changed it, switched the machine on, and the new one promptely snapped too, so I'm reluctant to waste money on more belts which will probably snap. A vacuum is such an expense so it's important to spend money on a decent one. The reports on this thread on the Miele Cat and Dog are at extremes so I'm reluctant to buy one of those in case that's pants too.

N9eav

kwatt wrote: »

Sebo is all I'll say.

I work with appliances, the last thing I want to be doing is repairing my own.

K.

Looks like Miele is disguise only more expensive. So tell us about it?

kwatt

Sebo isn't Miele. The one good thing about Miele is that Miele don't make anything for anyone except Miele, so far. Sebo are the same, they only service their own brand.

But the build quality and quality of components used in both are just superb in relation to the competition. Dyson, Electrolux etc. just can't even touch the two of them and they outperform the competition as well.

You'll also notice that, as the two leaders in quality and performance that they do not have a single bagless cleaner between them and neither have gone whacky with uprights either preferring the cylinder cleaner.

The reasons for this are perfectly simple, cylinder cleaners are more reliable and break less as well as offering greater flexibility and power, this is why they are almost universally used in commercial situations. And bagless cleaners are, IMO, a bit of a joke really, they work but they are not all that they're cracked up to be and why you won't see them used commercially. But for the general public it's a great selling point, you never have to buy bags again and people love the idea of getting a free ride.

What isn't made clear is that the suction is, IMO, poorer and it does degrade as the filters clog despite the advertising. When that happens the motor starts to overheat and, quite quickly, can burn out.

Also watch the HEPA thing, even some of the cheapest of the cheap vacs now boast HEPA filtration, just like they use in hospitals as we have all been told. What you are not told is that there are several grades of HEPA filtration available with the lowest being only just above what you would get in a cheap Chinese vac. To do HEPA correctly isn't cheap.

My recommendation for a vac and, the machine I bought for myself, is a Sebo K3 Premium. It's not cheap, although still cheaper than some Dysons, but it will run rings around the Dyson in performance, offers way more flexibility and will outlast it.

I replaced my last vac with it, my previous one was a Dyson.

K.

sloughflint

Kwatt,
can you explain why bagless are not what they are cracked up to be?
Saw a Sebo in John Lewis today and the Miele cat and dog ( looks like they've tweaked the design slightly since I bought mine but once bitten twice shy). Also wondering about Bosch 2500kw and that's bagless. The dyson I had used to fill up so quickly, I quite like the idea of bagless. What's wrong with them?

kwatt

As a general rule I find the pickup isn't so good and the filters clog easily with fine particles quite quickly which in turn makes the pickup worse. Then, as I explained above, you get failures.

Let me put it this way, I happen to know one of the chaps that does all the buying for a couple of major supermarket chains one of whom apparently offers a little help as well as a major high street catalouge chain and he obviously buys a lot of cleaners form the bottom to the mid ranges mostly. He has a Sebo and he paid way over what he could have done had he bought one from one of his clients. I think that says it all.

K.

handyman.

yes, pro cleaning companies all use bagged vacuums, does that not tell you something? And that the which report also shows (even now) that Dyson is the most unreliable? And that miele is the most reliable?

lilyann1

I love my numatic Henry!!!
I think I must have gone through a hoover every 3 or 4 years til I got this one and had it for 9 years now and it is far the best hoover ever!!
My daughter has asthma and so I am very concious about getting all the dust and hairs up.

handyman.

they dont like your henry



Which? report : Vacuum cleaners | 01 April 2007

Vacuum cleaners review
Numatic Henry HVR200
Henry the cylinder vac might be cute, but his cleaning capability leaves a lot to be desired.

The HVR200 is ok on laminate floors, but that's as good as it gets. It's poor at cleaning floorboards and terrible on carpet. It really struggles with pet hair, too, doing a very poor job of sucking it up. And if allergens are a concern, this isn't the vac to help as it fails to effectively retain them.

It's easy to manoeuvre on floors but cleaning stairs is tricky; ease of use for this is poor. It's easy to empty, though, not too noisy and has a large 5.3 litre capacity.

It weighs in at 8.1kg and has a really long power cable (15.6 metres) so you can cover loads of floor without having to change sockets.

Pros: Easy to empty, large capacity, very long power cable.

Cons: Very poor on carpet, poor on floorboards, average on laminate, very poor at retaining allergens, very poor at picking up pet hair, difficult to use on stairs.


Numatic Henry HVR200
Price (£) 100
Score (%) 38
Overall reliability Above average
Availability Widely available
Type Cylinder
Features
Specification
Weight (kg) 8.1
Reach from plug (m) 15.6
Capacity (l) 5.3
Bagless No
Warranty (years) 2
Ratings
Cleaning
Carpet
Very Poor

Laminate floors
Acceptable

Floorboards
Poor

Walls and corners
Good

Performance
Allergen retention
Very Poor

Pet hair
Very Poor

Noise
Acceptable

Ease of use
Acceptable

Emptying
Good

Cleaning stairs
Poor

Manoeuvrability
Good