not-so- greatcurtains

It_is_I,_LeClerc

Anyone thought of putting one of the consumer media programmes onto this, like Watchdog (is that still on?) or You&Yours. I'm on my way to the You&Yours site to see what I can do.:D

matt0508

Hi,
Can someone maybe clear this up for me. Economine and Great Curtains are run by the same people. As 1 company goes under, so the other one rises. Reading the most recent posts Economine are winding up, but Great Curtains are active.
The receipt I got sent, has Great Curtains on the letter head, but Econoine on the Credit card receipt. So which company have I bought my curtains from. In theory I would say Great Curtains. We all know that which ever the company we are never going to see any curtains. However, if Great Curtains are active I should be able to get my money back.

HOW ARE THEY STILL ALLOWED TO TRADE.

matt0508

Just checked the invoice I received. As I said it has Great Curtains letter headed paper. Then at the bottom, it says Registered Office, Great Curtains Limited, Chard Wallis etc Uckfield. Then it says Great Curtains Limited registered in England Number 6277260.
As mentined in a previoous post. Company 6277260 is actually Economine and not Great Curtains. Great Curtains Company number is 08261107.
To me this is definate fraud. As per Veebeedeals I am going to contact Action fraud.

It_is_I,_LeClerc

Thank you to new posters. Join the gang and let's see what we can do together.

I don't have an invoice, only an order acknowledgement, headed Fine Furnishings Direct, with date, order number, our name and address, company name and address in header as "Your order has been received by:- Fine Furnishings Direct, Econermine Limited, Coldham Road, Coningsby, LINCOLN LN4 4SE Telephone: 01526 343888" -- then details of the order on a wide-carriage dot-matrix printer with approx 15 inch form-feed paper.

My experience, posted above, suggests that the delightful Mr Cook is fully cognisant of what he is doing. I am not legally qualified to determine if it is fraud, but as a legal layman, that's how it looks to me. He may be exploiting legal loopholes (he is, after all, also owner of a legal practice, apparently) but if this is legal, then the law is not merely an !!! but a dead and putrid one.

In any case, I have passed the information on to Action Fraud, hedged with many expressions of not knowing whether it is fraud or not but it looks like it to me.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then the chances are that you're looking at a member or the order anatidae (ducks). Judge for yourself.

dr._martin

Feel sorry for the former staff who were notified by phone 'don't come in tomorrow morning the factory is shut'. Not a penny in redundancy back pay holiday etc. This was the same format that happened at Lynplan where the staff were laid of. I believe the impending legal action that is stopping the striking of at companies house is that of disgruntled ex employees. Good luck to them:T

podrig

Gordon Adrian Cook and Patrick Bruce Foster have got their fingers in many pies.

Google them together as a pair and you will see what I mean.

Econermine still have a 'shop' on eBay.

Since August 2012 negative feedback for, guess what?, non-delivery of goods. Hardly surprising since they are 'dispatching' from Coningsby!

Econermine also had a retail shop in the Midlands which closed all of a sudden leaving people out of pocket.

Surely, what these men are doing ISN'T legal.

Keep the faith.

podrig

Just want to say a massive THANK YOU to everyone here for your input, information and all your help.

I made a claim under Section 75 of The Consumer Credit Act 1974
(because I had left it too late for a chargeback - please see my earlier post), it has been sucessful and I have received my money back.

I shall keep popping back to see how you are all getting on, and I hope that you will all get a result very soon.

Thanks again and keep the faith!!

FlyingMullet

Thank you all for the tremendous advice on this site!!!

My mother purchased curtains via the Great Curtains website in Nov. Payment (via debit card) was taken by Econermine, a company not mentioned on the site. There was some issue entering the order and a kind lady telephoned 2 days later to confirm whether this was one order or 3 independent orders, confirmed as one order.

And then, nothing.

The Terms and Conditions are clear on Great Curtains website. The contract was with Great Curtains Ltd. Not Econermine. So why did this company take the payment? Smells like Fraud to me.

Finally spoke to someone in Great Curtains sales, who said that the order was placed with Econermine, and therefore would not be honoured, but a refund issued......

Commenced Chargeback proceedings today. Called Action Fraud last night.

Out of interest, Econermine's factory closed 16 Oct 2012, Great Curtains Ltd registered on 19 Oct 2012... As previously stated, same registered address, same Director, same Secretary, together with a few other companies.

eCON-er-mine ...... I guess the clue is in the title!:cool:

mrs_me

I have used Econermine in the past and found them extremely helpful,the curtains I ordered to be of high quality and also with a quick delivery time.This thread has baffled me, but there was a previous post that maked some sense, for what ever reason though it's not here anymore.Econermine was taken over by Gordon Adrian Cook and Patrick Bruce Foster.With it looking like they have used and abused the good name of Econermine and forcing it into the ground. Then setting up Great Curtains only three days after making the workers at Econermine redundant. Nothing great there by the sounds of it, more like fraud and trouble.Would advise people to not go near them with a barge pole and to contact the fraud squad and trading standards.Good luck to everyone that does and hope all get their money back.

It_is_I,_LeClerc

It_is_I,_LeClerc wrote: »

Thank you to new posters. Join the gang and let's see what we can do together.

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My experience, posted above, suggests that the delightful Mr Cook is fully cognisant of what he is doing. I am not legally qualified to determine if it is fraud, but as a legal layman, that's how it looks to me. He may be exploiting legal loopholes (he is, after all, also owner of a legal practice, apparently) but if this is legal, then the law is not merely an !!! but a dead and putrid one.

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If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then the chances are that you're looking at a member or the order anatidae (ducks). Judge for yourself.

Can I just point out that the word I used above, now replaced by "!!!" was the old word for a donkey and bore no reference except in someone's mind to any part of the anatomy (I !!!ume that is why the substitution was made). It refers to the idiocy of legal reasoning at times. The anatomical reference is spelt differently (in English at least, whatever the Yanks use), but out of respect for our fainthearted moderator I won't spell it out ... OK, it's A, then R, then S, and finally E.

From Wikipedia:

The phrase "the law is an a-s-s" was popularized by Charles Dickens' Oliver Twist, when the character Mr. Bumble is informed that "the law supposes that your wife acts under your direction". Mr. Bumble replies "If the law supposes that ... the law is a [sic] a-s-s—a idiot."

(hyphens inserted to avoid automated censorship)