Who will it be Romney or Obama?

BobQ

Its difficult to say. You have a country that professes to be a democracy. But if you listen to CNN they are embarrassed by the examples of inept and potentially corrupt election practices.

This is a nation that gave us the hanging chad. Most democracies would have been so ashamed over the way they allowed such petty local corrupt practices to undermine its reputation. How we have voting machines that record a different vote than what you cast. Stations running out of ballots, a ballot paper that showed Obama as a republican and so on.

Then we have queues for 4+ hours to vote.

All of these seem to be in Rebublican's favour.

I would love to know how US Citizen's tolerate such things.

grizzly1911

BobQ wrote: »

I would love to know how US Citizen's tolerate such things.

This from the country that can launch missiles from drones, on to individuals in Afghanistan, from bunkers in Arizona.

They just make you smile, glad so many people follow them.

A._Badger

BobQ wrote: »

Its difficult to say. You have a country that professes to be a democracy. But if you listen to CNN they are embarrassed by the examples of inept and potentially corrupt election practices.

This is a nation that gave us the hanging chad. Most democracies would have been so ashamed over the way they allowed such petty local corrupt practices to undermine its reputation. How we have voting machines that record a different vote than what you cast. Stations running out of ballots, a ballot paper that showed Obama as a republican and so on.

Then we have queues for 4+ hours to vote.

All of these seem to be in Rebublican's favour.

I would love to know how US Citizen's tolerate such things.

That is a stunning display of misinformation, ignorance or mendacity, even for you.

Even the US left doesn't dispute that the corruption in US elections is mostly centred around Democrat supporting unions.

Right now Matt Drudge is reporting that UN Inspectors are shocked that IDs aren't required for voting in US elections: (http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/11/06/foreign_election_officials_amazed_by_trust_based_us_voting_system

And who opposes voter mandatory ID most strenuously? The Democrats.

It might help if you gathered some of your information about the USA from sources other than the BBC/Guardian.

Generali

FWIW, at 4am UK time it looks like Obama is almost certain to have won the electoral college with Romney winning the popular vote.

Democrats look highly likely to hold on to the Senate with the Republicans holding the House of Representatives.

ampersand

NBC PROJECTION ON R5, REPORTEDLY SHOWING ON BIG SCREEN:

' OBAMA HAS WON!!!'
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But Obama razor-edge lean in Florida suddenly looks to be tilting back to Romney.
If Romney takes Florida..................

Generali

ampersand wrote: »

NBC PROJECTION ON R5, REPORTEDLY SHOWING ON BIG SCREEN:

' OBAMA HAS WON!!!'
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But Obama razor-edge lean in Florida suddenly looks to be tilting back to Romney.
If Romney takes Florida..................

Romney has to take Florida, Ohio and Colorado to win. Obama is ahead in all 3.

CNN is calling it for Obama. The districts still to come in in Ohio are places like Cleveland which you'd guess the unions will deliver for the Democrats. Most of the districts still counting in Fla were blue last time around.

Nothing's impossible but it's very unlikely that Romney can come back from here.

Do we think that the BBC & Guardian will spend the next 4 years moaning about how Obama lost the popular vote? I have my doubts that it'll get anything more than a passing mention.

ampersand

Ohio in for Obama, but
'LIVE NOW
Live: BBC US Election Night 2012
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How the US electoral system works

Reporters: Jude Sheerin, Adam Blenford and Pia Gadkari
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2329: There are some reports coming in that Republicans are challenging the numbers in Ohio. Former Bush aide Karl Rove insists there are plent of votes still to count.'
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Just now hearing a GOP man saying Tea Party helped Democrats...more than infighting beginning, a beeb man says it's out and out civil war.

That's fine by me.

Fox news[who insisted only 2 days ago that Romney would be in by a landslide] has delivered result in a room 'in which you could hear a pin drop'.

Generali

ampersand wrote: »

Ohio in for Obama, but
'LIVE NOW
Live: BBC US Election Night 2012
LIVE NOW
How the US electoral system works

Reporters: Jude Sheerin, Adam Blenford and Pia Gadkari
Skip To Latest Live Text
2329: There are some reports coming in that Republicans are challenging the numbers in Ohio. Former Bush aide Karl Rove insists there are plent of votes still to count.'
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Just now hearing a GOP man saying Tea Party helped Democrats...more than infighting beginning, a beeb man says it's out and out civil war.

That's fine by me.

Fox news[who insisted only 2 days ago that Romney would be in by a landslide] has delivered result in a room 'in which you could hear a pin drop'.

CNN make a good point. There are 30 out of 50 Governors that are Republican and Obama is only really taking the urban and suburban areas. There is not going to be mass public support for his poicies and he is going to have a hard time getting pretty much anything contentious through the House.

ampersand

Hello Generali, doing this from 'phone as my multi-tasking woman brain syncs across Simon Shama putting down Republican woman Nancy on R5 with excitable Richard Bacon in Florida+Beeb+Beloved Grauniad+US news linkies on screen. I have disliked Shama, but not on this. It's a peerless address by a historian at the top of his game. We're now hearing that Romney has NOT called Obama.

Generali

ampersand wrote: »

Hello Generali, doing this from 'phone as my multi-tasking woman brain syncs across Simon Shama putting down Republican woman Nancy on R5 with excitable Richard Bacon in Florida+Beeb+Beloved Grauniad+US news linkies on screen. I have disliked Shama, but not on this. It's a peerless address by a historian at the top of his game. We're now hearing that Romney has NOT called Obama.

Hello ampersand. Am posting from my PC in the Sydney CBD. Am monotasking as a form or work avoidance.

CNN has Obama likely to win with a slightly reduced electoral college majority. Fox News also has Obama down as a winner. Obama seems to think he's won too although I guess he's not exactly impartial!

There's a bit of an argument breaking out on CNN between a blonde woman and a brunette about why Romney has lost. It's either because he's out of touch or because women hate him. They can't decide so they've switched to a bloke now.

I love these all night election shows.