Parking Eye sent me a bill for parking in the street

sharealike

lovinituk wrote: »

You seem to want something done about the whole system but you don't appear to want to do any work towards it yourself. What exactly do you want?

I am doing something. I want to collect information that first of all gets me clear of their false information. And second exposes them to all for their incompetence or deliberate hassle for money to which they have no right.

Anonymously asked them to confirm the boundaries of the site they manage. By their response its clear they might not know them.

"We only operate ANPR on behalf of the client so with regards to boundaries etc, you will need to contact the Managing Agent."

Posting this might have blown my cover as I'm sure they will monitor here. Kind of confirmed they migh well operate their cameras without having a clearly defined set of boundaries. Surely something that should be clearly spelt out (perhaps mapped out?) in the contracts with their clients. And shown at each site so you know where what they say applies or does not. Street parking needs these and uses the clear marked bays for pay and display so there is no ambiguity along with yellow lines and other clear markings for the rest. Why can these cowboys operate without real boundaries?

Can they collect a fee for you to park on land not defined in the contract? No wonder they are hassling those outside the area.
Bit naughty.

dggar

Sirdan wrote: »

This is a somewhat unusual case because I'm still struggling to understand how a camera that should be set up to take pictures of vehicles exiting a car park is in fact photographing vehicles parked on the street outside that same car park ....
In fact it is beyond unusual it's actually incredible !

I'm struggling as well.

The passion and tone of postings by the OP remind me of the poster on the general motoring thread who says he was involved in accident on the Five Ways round about in Birmingham also claimed to have been trapped speeding and jumping a red light by the same camera.

The_Slithy_Tove

sharealike wrote: »

I am doing
Can they collect a fee for you to park on land not defined in the contract? No wonder they are hassling those outside the area.
Bit naughty.

As they are trying to collect a fee for parking on the public highway, this is why you should contact the council highways department. That way, it could get PE into trouble.

There was a case, eithere here or on Pepipoo - can't remember, where a PPC was ticketing cars on a recently adopted road, i.e. a public highway. They had to carry out a very hasty climb-down when it was pointed out they were acting illegally.

sharealike

dggar wrote: »

I'm struggling as well.

The passion and tone of postings by the OP remind me of the poster on the general motoring thread who says he was involved in accident on the Five Ways round about in Birmingham also claimed to have been trapped speeding and jumping a red light by the same camera.

Bit of a keyboard frenzy on this. You might have missed this explanation I gave. Parking Lie just confirmed they use ANPR at this site.

Cameras scan rows of parked vehicles. The images go to a systen using ANPR auto number plate recognition (hope I got that right). If the processor spots a number plate present for more than two hours it triggers a record of the first and last viewing to be stored (and perhaps those in between). These pictures are then printed onto the letter along with your name and address that they get over a direct data feed from the DVLA. Camera has to scan the rows of cars because the car park has many entrances and exists to the street. To put ANPR on each one would just to see you arrive and then leave would be too expensive and may not be physically possible.

If you park in the street adjacent to the car park the system still picks you up. Just how do you tell a camera where the edge of the car park is? It has no intelligence.

lovinituk

sharealike wrote: »

Bit of a keyboard frenzy on this. You might have missed this explanation I gave. Parking Lie just confirmed they use ANPR at this site.

Cameras scan rows of parked vehicles. The images go to a systen using ANPR auto number plate recognition (hope I got that right). If the processor spots a number plate present for more than two hours it triggers a record of the first and last viewing to be stored (and perhaps those in between). These pictures are then printed onto the letter along with your name and address that they get over a direct data feed from the DVLA. Camera has to scan the rows of cars because the car park has many entrances and exists to the street. To put ANPR on each one would just to see you arrive and then leave would be too expensive and may not be physically possible.

If you park in the street adjacent to the car park the system still picks you up. Just how do you tell a camera where the edge of the car park is? It has no intelligence. Locals who work in the retail park know where the cameras can't get them in the street. They all park for free at one end for as long as they like even though it makes them walk further. Leaving the trap set further down for those parking for the first time.

But surely they would need multiple cameras anyway? Or are the spaces spaced out in single rows so that one car can't block the reg plate of another? Are all spaces orientated the same way? How many cameras are there? Please post the google maps image so we can see.

Sirdan

sharealike wrote: »

Bit of a keyboard frenzy on this. You might have missed this explanation I gave. Parking Lie just confirmed they use ANPR at this site.

Cameras scan rows of parked vehicles. The images go to a systen using ANPR auto number plate recognition (hope I got that right). If the processor spots a number plate present for more than two hours it triggers a record of the first and last viewing to be stored (and perhaps those in between). These pictures are then printed onto the letter along with your name and address that they get over a direct data feed from the DVLA. Camera has to scan the rows of cars because the car park has many entrances and exists to the street. To put ANPR on each one would just to see you arrive and then leave would be too expensive and may not be physically possible.

If you park in the street adjacent to the car park the system still picks you up. Just how do you tell a camera where the edge of the car park is? It has no intelligence. Locals who work in the retail park know where the cameras can't get them in the street. They all park for free at one end for as long as they like even though it makes them walk further. Leaving the trap set further down for those parking for the first time.

I understood it the first time , still find it incredible though .

sharealike

The_Slithy_Tove wrote: »

As they are trying to collect a fee for parking on the public highway, this is why you should contact the council highways department. That way, it could get PE into trouble.

There was a case, eithere here or on Pepipoo - can't remember, where a PPC was ticketing cars on a recently adopted road, i.e. a public highway. They had to carry out a very hasty climb-down when it was pointed out they were acting illegally.

I thought about that. Suspect local highways might show an interest but have nil power to take any real action. No previous case to follow as they are a bit lemming like are they not.

Think the only way to get this on the headlines is to tell the local paper I got the first ever privately issued parking ticket in the town for parking on the public street. Sell some copies and draw some attention to the scam so others don't get caught. And those that have know where and how to get their money back with an appology and something for their trouble. Could be every single one caught out since the cameras were first fitted. OUCH!
This is a money back, money off, or money saving forum after all is it not?

sharealike

lovinituk wrote: »

But surely they would need multiple cameras anyway? Or are the spaces spaced out in single rows so that one car can't block the reg plate of another? Are all spaces orientated the same way? How many cameras are there? Please post the google maps image so we can see.

Google maps don't go into private car parks. Images might just give PE the edge over what I'm working on for now. Suspect there are different cameras in place to the ones on Google maps in any case. Some years since the google van went through the area.

Car park is only for eighty cars or so and all in the same direction. Three or four cameras mounted high up that can scan and zoom will see all. And in my case obviously more than they needed to see.

peter_the_piper

sorry, I give up its getting too complicated for my feeble brain. Best of luck, with whatever you are trying to do.

lovinituk

sharealike wrote: »

Google maps don't go into private car parks. Images might just give PE the edge over what I'm working on for now. Suspect there are different cameras in place to the ones on Google maps in any case.

Car park is only for eighty cars or so and all in the same direction. Three or four cameras mounted high up that can scan and zoom will see all. And in my case obviously more than they needed to see.

Just point it out on google maps. An overhead view is fine, don't need street view. So it has more than 3 or 4 exits/entrances? That's what I'm really interested in seeing.