Parking Eye sent me a bill for parking in the street

The_Slithy_Tove

sharealike wrote: »

My case is surely gold to those who seriously wish to compile evidence to combat these techno extortion and hassle systems.

What was the date of the original "offence"? If it was before 1st October, then ignore is the only real approach, as the rules have now changed. If after 1st October, then the best way to fight back it to follow the appeals process through POPLA, and expose it as a sham.

sharealike

Sirdan wrote: »

I'd report that to DVLA,ICO,The Council and Trading Standards and the local press too..you will need some evidence though.

Thanks. Thats a lot of work and there is no evidence. Just a very dark picture of my number plate and reflection of my headlamp reflectors.

Even if I went back to re-create the very same scanario taking pictures and witnesses with me there would not be any hard evidence. Just peoples words against their sytem. Only thing that might count would be an independent witness standing up and under oath in court. Makes me doubt the cases ever get there.

It's the blatent hassle to peoples lives I want to stop. Add it all up and it might be costing years of peoples life in stress. Not in the publics interest. Then add a few more similar automated systems (camera spots you smoking system, picking your nose, dumping rubbish, going down a one way street etc.) and your life might not be worth living. We are innocent until proven guilty are we not. Speed cameras had to be so carfully made near fool proof. These automated systems are far away from that.

Sirdan

sharealike wrote: »

Thanks. Thats a lot of work and there is no evidence. Just a very dark picture of my number plate and reflection of my headlamp reflectors.

Even if I went back to re-create the very same scanario taking pictures and witnesses with me there would not be any hard evidence. Just peoples words against their sytem. Only thing that might count would be an independent witness standing up and under oath in court. Makes me doubt the cases ever get there.

It's the blatent hassle to peoples lives I want to stop. Add it all up and it might be costing years of peoples life in stress. Not in the publics interest. Then add a few more similar automated systems (camera spots you smoking system, picking your nose, dumping rubbish, going down a one way street etc.) and your life might not be worth living. We are innocent until proven guilty are we not. Speed cameras had to be so carfully made near fool proof. These automated systems are far away from that.

This is a somewhat unusual case because I'm still struggling to understand how a camera that should be set up to take pictures of vehicles exiting a car park is in fact photographing vehicles parked on the street outside that same car park ....
In fact it is beyond unusual it's actually incredible !

sharealike

The_Slithy_Tove wrote: »

What was the date of the original "offence"? If it was before 1st October, then ignore is the only real approach, as the rules have now changed. If after 1st October, then the best way to fight back it to follow the appeals process through POPLA, and expose it as a sham.

Their bill is for a claimed period of parking after 1st October 2012.

Might well consider this if I can get to POPLA with minimum of hassle from Paking Lie and not spend hours filling in a form for POPLA. Anyone been this route yet? Otherwise its just more of a hassle system whose first priority is giving someone a job. Fairness, honesty and service to the public being way down their list of priorities. Anyone know what funds them? Is it paid for out of the charges for paking?

sharealike

Sirdan wrote: »

This is a somewhat unusual case because I'm still struggling to understand how a camera that should be set up to take pictures of vehicles exiting a car park is in fact photographing vehicles parked on the street outside that same car park ....
In fact it is beyond unusual it's actually incredible !

It does. Incredible it is.

Cameras scan rows of parked vehicles. The images go to a systen using ANPR auto number plate recognition (hope I got that right). If the processor spots a number plate present for more than two hours it triggers a record of the first and last viewing to be stored (and perhaps those in between). These pictures are then printed onto the letter along with your name and address that they get over a direct data feed from the DVLA. Camera has to scan the rows of cars because the car park has many entrances and exists to the street. To put ANPR on each one would be expensive and may not be physically possible.

My guess is you could drive down this street. Pause for a moment without even parking while the camera captured your image. Such as waiting for a pedestrian to cross. You would not have had to enter their car park.

Now do you all see why I'm so hacked off. Parking Lie must know it does this. I'm surely not the first to work out whats going on. I might consider supplying the location with Google street view so you can all go get a ticket. I mean take a look for yourselves.

Sirdan

sharealike wrote: »

It does. Incredible it is.

Cameras scan rows of parked vehicles. The images go to a systen using ANPR auto number plate recognition (hope I got that right). If the processor spots a number plate present for more than two hours it triggers a record of the first and last viewing to be stored (and perhaps those in between). These pictures are then printed onto the letter along with your name and address that they get over a direct data feed from the DVLA. Camera has to scan the rows of cars because the car park has many entrances and exists to the street. To put ANPR on each one would be expensive and may not be physically possible.

If you park in the street adjacent to the car park the system still picks you up. Just how do you tell a camera where the edge of the car park is? It has no intelligence. Locals who work in the retail park know where the cameras can't get them in the street. They all park for free at one end for as long as they like even though it makes them walk further. Leaving the trap set further down for those parking for the first time.

If it's not manually operated then it must be programmable in terms of what area it scans , so this def should not be happening.

sharealike

Sirdan wrote: »

If it's not manually operated then it must be programmable in terms of what area it scans , so this def should not be happening.

If manual then the malicious operator definately knows what he/she did. If automatic then we will have to forgive the dumb system. Doubt it can be programmed to ignore a certain area. Neglectful of them to let it look into an area they don't manage.

Either way Parking Lie knows its doing this. I can't be the first and will not be the last. They should not be allowed to operate.

peter_the_piper

A google street view of the offending car park and road would probably help the more expert on here to suggest a way of stuffing them. i assume that's what you would like to do.

Sirdan

peter_the_piper wrote: »

A google street view of the offending car park and road would probably help the more expert on here to suggest a way of stuffing them. i assume that's what you would like to do.

Don't hold your breath on that .......;)

lovinituk

sharealike wrote: »

Thanks. Thats a lot of work and there is no evidence. Just a very dark picture of my number plate and reflection of my headlamp reflectors.

Even if I went back to re-create the very same scanario taking pictures and witnesses with me there would not be any hard evidence. Just peoples words against their sytem. Only thing that might count would be an independent witness standing up and under oath in court. Makes me doubt the cases ever get there.

It's the blatent hassle to peoples lives I want to stop. Add it all up and it might be costing years of peoples life in stress. Not in the publics interest. Then add a few more similar automated systems (camera spots you smoking system, picking your nose, dumping rubbish, going down a one way street etc.) and your life might not be worth living. We are innocent until proven guilty are we not. Speed cameras had to be so carfully made near fool proof. These automated systems are far away from that.

You seem to want something done about the whole system but you don't appear to want to do any work towards it yourself. What exactly do you want?