MSE News: Welfare reforms 'to hit disabled'

ani_26

LunaLady wrote: »

Plus the fact that I am not quite 30 yet. .

LunaLady wrote: »

Well as I received £53 a week or whatever it was, and was saving the tax payer £££ in carers fees, it was probably quite a good deal.

LunaLady wrote: »

I just dont get your point.

I have used the welfare system in the past. My son receives DLA (HRC, LRM), I claimed CA and in the past have claimed WTC.

I am extremely grateful for the welfare system. It is however a system that is open to huge amounts of abuse.

You are under 30 years of age, and in that time, you have clearly used the welfare state, to the extent you have been able to afford save into a private pension? Some people, ( i'm not saying me,) might argue, you shouldn't be able to afford to save into a private pension, from state benefits, and therefore call that too, abuse of the system.


At what point is the distinction between this being your money, as you said, or tax payers money, be it yours or others?


I am acutely aware money from welfare benefits cannot necessarily be classed as " my money ", despite the fact i have contributed continuously for 40+ years monetarily to the system, welfare state, or whatever you want to call it, and therefore treat any monies with the respect they deserve, with regard to day to day living, ( and that's as far as they go.)

LunaLady

I claimed CA for 2 years (despite working at all other times since I was 16) so I shouldnt be able to pay a small amount into a private pension?

For those 2 years my then husband was working.

I dont understand the last 2 paragraphs.

ani_26

Child benefit, ( you must have a child under 16 years of age, if you are aged under 30 years, ) other related child benefits, HB CTB, if you receive WTC?


You said you have your own money, and i am just trying to show at which point does it become your money?


Forgive me. I am not trying to have a go at you personally. x



Enough is enough, as this thread is meant to be about welfare reforms for the disabled.

Dunroamin

ani_26 wrote: »

Child benefit, ( you must have a child under 16 years of age, if you are aged under 30 years, ) other related child benefits, HB CTB, if you receive WTC?

Since when have HB and CTB been child related benefits?

ani_26

ani_26 wrote: »

other related child benefits, HB CTB, if you receive WTC? .

Dunroamin wrote: »

Since when have HB and CTB been child related benefits?

Please note the comma, highlighted in red, ( not that easy to see.)

princessdon

So to get it back on topic. I have no issues paying for the truly disabled. I don't like paying for the workshy (ie never worked in 20 odd years and are healthy). I have issues paying for "lifestyle choices" Ie a couple working 24 hours a week with older children and £1,000's in the bank and abusing the Tax Credit system. I don't like the abuse of carers and passported benefits - it demens the genuine carers and the work they do.

But .. I fail to see why disabled get so many benefits. Eg If someone gets DLA for their child why do they also get extra tax credits? Why so many top up's. Again I get "working disabled" and Tax Credits, but why do children get extra on top of their DLA.

That isn't "bashing" the disabled - I just don't see why they need to add extra benefits if they are already being given extra. *some* on disabilities (eg one I read recently on here where this was 22 years plus on CB - having contributed minorly with no medicals) get a lot of money.

I also think it's correct that ESA Cont only lasts for 12 mos (but think it should be higher than the JSA limit - say £200 pw), so I do see both sides.

Dunroamin

ani_26 wrote: »

Please note the comma, highlighted in red, ( not that easy to see.)

I noted the comma, the sentence still implied that HB/CTB were child related benefits.

LunaLady

The trouble is as soon as a child has a disability, everything is more expensive.

I have to pay 100% more in childcare costs for my son than I do my daughter.

Another thing is that I am having to buy in services because they are not being provided. In the last three months I have had to buy my son a laptop for school, because our LA have cut the funding. I pay for an OT because we cant access on on the NHS, I have to buy extra nappies because we are not provided with enough.

I have said before that I would give every penny back of we could access the services my DS needs.

princessdon

LunaLady wrote: »

The trouble is as soon as a child has a disability, everything is more expensive.

I have to pay 100% more in childcare costs for my son than I do my daughter.

Another thing is that I am having to buy in services because they are not being provided. In the last three months I have had to buy my son a laptop for school, because our LA have cut the funding. I pay for an OT because we cant access on on the NHS, I have to buy extra nappies because we are not provided with enough.

I have said before that I would give every penny back of we could access the services my DS needs.

you work

I am referring to none working or child need related costs. Why does a child with minor needs and no real additional costs mean the parents get extra TC?

Eg My best friend (and godson) get DLA and TC. IMO they don't need it. He had a heart condition (now stable until approx age of teenager). He has zero additional costings to that of another 3 year old, he needs no extra care (he did but not now whilst stable). His parents get extra tax credits.

there are many other families in the same boat - The funding should be released to those with severe disabilities who need to buy nappies, equipment and "top up" poor Social Services input.

It should be that only those with high DLA get TC extra's not to everyone.

Also some of what you say relates to none disabled children. We have been asked to buy an Ipad for school, we pay for swimming lessons (at school) of £5 pw (even though they are excellent swimmers). OT, nappies and childcare I agree, but none disabled have costings too due to cuts and those families now get no TC and for some no CB soon.

LunaLady

I assume your grandchildren's laptops are for home. This laptop is for in school, because he cannot write (due to wrist/hand problems).

My son is a 'swan' child - he has several different conditions without having and confirmed diagnosis.