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Why doesn't Cameron want Scottish Independence?
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Bit unlikely, considering this was all back in the days of rotten boroughs. The Commons made no attempt to be accurately representative. In fact there were no censuses and no population statistics until the Napoleonic War. No permanent principle was established as to how Parliament should be constituted. It has of course reformed itself more than once since then.I recall someone saying that there were breaches that could occur that would invalidate it eg if they reduced the representation of Scottish MPs in the parliament
It is a problem. Suddenly releasing Greece from its European treaty obligations would have endless ramifications. For contract lawyers it would be Christmas for years.(The original EU treaty had no provision for a member state to leave either - why isn't that a problem)
Is this from the same fictitious history that has Anglo-Norman barons like William de Waleys and Robert de Bruis prancing around in tartan frocks?Well it had a universal education system including a massively bigger higher education sector with a literate population and advanced medical knowledge, foreign embassies, a currency and banking system and a (rubbish) empire. So I suppose you'd argue that Greece in Roman times never worked as a country"It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis0 -
And we're back online again!:DBit unlikely, considering this was all back in the days of rotten boroughs. The Commons made no attempt to be accurately representative. In fact there were no censuses and no population statistics until the Napoleonic War. No permanent principle was established as to how Parliament should be constituted. It has of course reformed itself more than once since then. I'm no expert, but 'd heard the system had to maintain a miinimum representation of Scottish seats which couldn't be reduced without certain types of agreement.
It is a problem. Suddenly releasing Greece from its European treaty obligations would have endless ramifications. For contract lawyers it would be Christmas for years.
Er, no. They later passed amendments to the treaty providing two exit mechanisms.Neither of which included secession of a memeber state.
Is this from the same fictitious history that has Anglo-Norman barons like William de Waleys and Robert de Bruis prancing around in tartan frocks? Nope
Whoah, Chewie. It's bad enough the Westminster govenrments treating the young in England as if it just read "Papa Fritzl's guide to Parenting"- put it back on the shelf, and back away slowly!:Dchewmylegoff wrote: »Happy with that, we'll be the parents, obviously. So you can give your key back and leave. You get no assets, we'll be keeping all of those for ourselves. You will have to borrow heavily for the first few years to fund your 'education' until you 'graduate' and are able to support yourselves. We'll chuck in a token allowance to help out but it will make no real difference to your gathering debts.
You'll come back crying of course, cap in hand, begging to move back in, we'll chuck you a £20 now and then but you're not moving back in. Parents know that tough love is best - you've got to learn to make your own way in the world. Besides, we rather like the expense and quiet without all your tantrums! You can house sit whilst we go on a cruise though.
Edit: having just recalled Cameron's tendency to leave his kids in a pub beer garden, I withdraw my child analogy in the interests of child safetyThere is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
It is annoying yes, so I agree it would be better if it wasn't shown in the first place, especially as the quality of the Scottish league is dire anyway!
It's not as bad as you may think.
The most recent competative game between an English Premier League Club and a Scottish Premier League Club resulted in a 2-1 aggregate win for Liverpool over Hearts.
Not exactly an easy walk over.
It's just as well there is an abundance of good quality Scottish Managers to guide the English teams to success.
Interesting question.
Who was the last English manager to lift the Premier League Trophy?:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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We could. Or we could treat it as if it was grown-up children leaving home to make their way in the world. Why do you associate the moving out of a family member with a bitter break-up?
Simple answer, I'm not making such an association.
I am associating (a) the huge and complex argument, debate, and negotiation about assets that might have to be gone through after independence is agreed, with (b) the complex argument, debate, and negotiation, that might go on some time in a bitter divorce.
You are making a totally different association. That of a family member (or Scotland) simply moving out.
OK, make that association if you wish, but I can't see Scotland just 'moving out' before they have negotiated every single one of the 2,999 aspects of finance, law, fiscal control.... that must be sorted out to make it all work.0 -
Incidentally, I don't know if anyone else watched Question Time last night. It came from Scotland. The Independence debate was its usual inane and bitter nonsense, but I noticed one huge misconception.
It seems that an awful lot of people are 'confused' about it all since they don't know the 'vision' for an Independent Scotland. They think they need to know if Independence is going to give them high spend/high taxation or continue with free education/prescriptions.....
Why is it that these people don't understand the difference between (a) A government you elect whether you are independent or not - which could be left wing, right wing, high spending, low spending, pro-Europe, ante-Europe, and (b) the implications of total independence from the British Government?
Seems to me that this will ruin the vote. You will have the SNP pushing it's own political policies and saying "vote yes". Then you'll have the Labour Party pushing out totally different political policies and saying "vote yes". Unless both parties get together and push out messages to do with independence [and not political dogma] then the average Scottish punter is going to remain rather confused.0 -
Yes, LM, also watched QT last night, and This Week afterwards.
I believe that the whole of the UK should have the opportunity to vote in a referendum which affects us all. Since the SNP don't want this, then I would like a separate referendum for the rest of us in the event that Scotland votes for independence. This would give us the opportunity to vote Scotland out of the UK.
I realise that this is an emotional, immature response. Exactly what I was hearing from the Scots last night. In essence I have never wanted them to go, but now I'm angry. Just go!
If they decide to keep the Monarchy, what will we charge them for their share of the cost? Do Canada and Australia pay anything for them? How much extra will the Monarchy cost the rest of us, if the Scots no longer contribute. (PS - I like the Monarchy, but could this trigger the end of them?).
This is all going on too far without the 'deal' being thrashed out, debated, and the whole of the UK having a say.
Am so angry about this.0 -
IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Interesting question.
Who was the last English manager to lift the Premier League Trophy?
Steve Bruce?
1. Is English
2. Lifted the trophy 3 times in his career as a player
3. Is now a manager (of Hull City)
I'm not sure he's the last one but he meets all the criteria.0 -
Loughton_Monkey wrote: »Incidentally, I don't know if anyone else watched Question Time last night. It came from Scotland. The Independence debate was its usual inane and bitter nonsense, but I noticed one huge misconception.
It seems that an awful lot of people are 'confused' about it all since they don't know the 'vision' for an Independent Scotland. They think they need to know if Independence is going to give them high spend/high taxation or continue with free education/prescriptions.....
Why is it that these people don't understand the difference between (a) A government you elect whether you are independent or not - which could be left wing, right wing, high spending, low spending, pro-Europe, ante-Europe, and (b) the implications of total independence from the British Government?
Seems to me that this will ruin the vote. You will have the SNP pushing it's own political policies and saying "vote yes". Then you'll have the Labour Party pushing out totally different political policies and saying "vote yes". Unless both parties get together and push out messages to do with independence [and not political dogma] then the average Scottish punter is going to remain rather confused.
Labour are not pushing a Yes vote.
Incidently, it is Labours / Conservatives / Lib Dems stance to confuse matters by making the decision on party politics.
This should not be about party politics as once independance is gained, the people of scotland can vote for the party of their choice.
Right now, the Scottish vote counts for approx 1/10th of the UK (actually probably smaller when you break up the number of elected MP's)
If Independance was gainsed, the Scottish vote would count 100% towards deciding what the Scottish people want as a government.:wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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Steve Bruce?
1. Is English
2. Lifted the trophy 3 times in his career as a player
3. Is now a manager (of Hull City)
I'm not sure he's the last one but he meets all the criteria.
Good effort, but he wasn't a manager at the time ;o)
It's actually a trick questions, No English manager has lifted the Premier League Trophy.
The last English manager to win the top flight was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1992, but that was the season before the Premier League started.
Good job good old Howard had Gordon Strachan and Gary McAllister leading them on the pitch ;o):wall:
What we've got here is....... failure to communicate.
Some men you just can't reach.
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IveSeenTheLight wrote: »Good effort, but he wasn't a manager at the time ;o)
It's actually a trick questions, No English manager has lifted the Premier League Trophy.
The last English manager to win the top flight was Howard Wilkinson with Leeds in 1992, but that was the season before the Premier League started.
Good job good old Howard had Gordon Strachan and Gary McAllister leading them on the pitch ;o)
alex ferguson qualifies to play for the english cricket team based on residency, therefore, just like kevin pietersen, he is english.0
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