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Why doesn't Cameron want Scottish Independence?

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  • FTBFun
    FTBFun Posts: 4,273 Forumite
    sss555s wrote: »
    Thanks for that.

    The service industry is everywhere and just relative to the areas, population and needs. A lot of it is fully or partly public funded.

    Most of the service sector is pretty much just "money go round" (where the Tesco worker pays for the tube to get to work and the tube driver buys his shopping in Tesco) which is an important part of a modern society but not really generating any more income relative to any other part of the UK.

    Look at the biggest economy in Europe. Germany has a lot of important city's country wide and is one of the worlds largest exporters.

    You're not really getting this are you? That's not really how tertiary industry works, its not just tube workers and retailers.

    How much of the FTSE 100 are based outside of London & the South East? I suspect its a fairly low amount.
  • System
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    you have missed out a few details like a bloody civil war


    Of course I have. I was picking up the constitutional point that the succession of one component from the UK does not mean that the whole UK has to dissolve and then re-form.

    Scotland and England have different constitutions, and different laws. These exist independently of the overall UK political body.
    For example, the Queen would remain supreme governor of the Church of England regardless of the constitutional relationship with the UK, or with Scotland. Likewise she is in the similar position regarding the Church of Scotland.
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  • zagubov
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    Of course I have. I was picking up the constitutional point that the succession of one component from the UK does not mean that the whole UK has to dissolve and then re-form.

    Scotland and England have different constitutions, and different laws. These exist independently of the overall UK political body.
    For example, the Queen would remain supreme governor of the Church of England regardless of the constitutional relationship with the UK, or with Scotland. Likewise she is in the similar position regarding the Church of Scotland.


    Are you sure about the last bit? I thought there was a moderator of their General Assembly who had the top role. Not that Sciotland has a state religion IIRC.
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  • zagubov wrote: »
    No he doesn't think that. He thinks Scotland's incompetently run by a remote bunch of eejits 400 miles away, that's all. .;)

    A lot of which are Scottish. In fact wasnt the guy who practically bancrupted Great Britain Scottish ??

    All independance will achieve is moving the idiots to scotland - where they will have much less to work with, much more to provide (to keep the same standard of living there already is) - and presumable mess it up to the same extent.
  • sss555s
    sss555s Posts: 3,175 Forumite
    FTBFun wrote: »
    You're not really getting this are you? That's not really how tertiary industry works, its not just tube workers and retailers.

    How much of the FTSE 100 are based outside of London & the South East? I suspect its a fairly low amount.


    The first point was simplified so you may understand it. It's not really all about tube drivers.

    The biggest companies are going to have headquarters in the capital, because they feel they are worth it but I expect the actual work will be proportional to the population.

    If the SE are really controlling everything and worth their double value to the rest of the UK then why are we all paying to clear up the mess they have created?

    Over a number of spineless governments, the rest of the UK (north England, Wales, Scotland and NI) has seen a lot of industry shut down or manipulated south. I have dealt with this first hand.

    I'd like to see Scotland give it a go (for better or for worse) rather than continuing to feed off crumbs from a government who can't see past the SE.

    So. Why is Cameron wanting to keep Scotland in the UK?
  • sss555s
    sss555s Posts: 3,175 Forumite
    A lot of which are Scottish. In fact wasnt the guy who practically bancrupted Great Britain Scottish ??

    All independance will achieve is moving the idiots to scotland - where they will have much less to work with, much more to provide (to keep the same standard of living there already is) - and presumable mess it up to the same extent.

    Haha

    It just goes to prove, our idiots are better than your idiots :rotfl:


    As Gen said before. No one knows how this could pan out. No one knows what is true and what is bull.
  • zagubov
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    A lot of which are Scottish. In fact wasnt the guy who practically bancrupted Great Britain Scottish ??

    All independance will achieve is moving the idiots to scotland - where they will have much less to work with, much more to provide (to keep the same standard of living there already is) - and presumable mess it up to the same extent.
    And that's exactly the point I need to make. Westminster is a magnet for incompetent self-serving thoughtless blinkered politicians from Scotland, England, elsewhere.

    At one point some years back I spotted that when Tony Blair, IDS and Charles Kennedy were the three party leaders that all were Scots. The politicians who want to go and stick thier snouts in the trough are remote and out of sight and in a world of thier own.

    It's much better when they are at a parliament nearby where the Scots can see what's going on and what their leaders are doing and hold them to account.

    Rightly or wrongly the electorate are now associating Holyrood with responsible accountable government because they see it happening in front of them. The corrupt self-serving politicians are struggling to get back in and mess things up.

    That's the important bit.:D
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  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    zagubov wrote: »
    At one point some years back I spotted that when Tony Blair, IDS and Charles Kennedy were the three party leaders that all were Scots.
    I don't think it helps the case to call anybody born in Scotland a Scot. It's not like the soil percolates into their blood or something.

    Might as well call Cliff Richard an Indian.
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
  • All this talk is empty rhetoric - there is no way that Scotland will vote for independence. It is simply not possible. It cannot happen and it will not happen.
  • pqrdef
    pqrdef Posts: 4,552 Forumite
    All this talk is empty rhetoric - there is no way that Scotland will vote for independence. It is simply not possible. It cannot happen and it will not happen.
    I reiterate my earlier suggestion that England should vote to break up the UK.

    Is there any reason we wouldn't want to? Or is it contended that we don't have the right to?
    "It will take, five, 10, 15 years to get back to where we need to be. But it's no longer the individual banks that are in the wrong, it's the banking industry as a whole." - Steven Cooper, head of personal and business banking at Barclays, talking to Martin Lewis
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