Staff Dogs and Muzzles

liam8282

gregg1 wrote: »

And now,it's your turn to show me where I ever said I did know anything about the breed! A far as I am aware, this is a forum where people can make a contribution to a discussion.

I posted what someone was told as being the reason why they would not accept that breed at their kennels.

At the risk of winding you up even further I would like to let you know that the one and only time I have ever witnessed a dog snap and try to bite a child (completely unprovoked I may add) just happened to be this breed of dog. Now I am aware that this does not and should not taint the whole breed. Hoŵever, I am merely recounting what I personally saw and I have to confess, it did absolutely nothing to endear me to the breed.

Ps goater. I honestly never thought I would see the day when I would thank you. How about that then?

Fair enough but can't you see that repeatedly and negatively commenting on a subject that you actually know nothing about, adds to the problem of the negative image of this dog breed?

I am not arguing as such, just disproving obvious comments that are completely untrue. Maybe not purposely but still very wrong.

Keith

The nose bump is a sign of dominance http://puppies.about.com/od/BehaviorProblems/a/Puppy-Body-Language.htm perhaps you missed the signs in front of a dominant dog?

seashore22

My only direct experience of an aggressive breed were Jack Russells. When I was a child it bite my friend on the nose very seriously while I was present. My husband also has first hand knowledge of a Jack Russell biting someone. I'm not saying that Jack Russells are a nasty breed, just that it's not only the big, powerful breeds that you have to be wary of. I think they are a breed with masses of character and I still have a soft spot for them, but would think twice about actually owning one.

We owned a Staffie cross for many years, which we rehomed from a dog sanctuary. Due to it's upbringing with the previous owners, it had a few behavioural issues. However with a bit of training, and a secure home, it quickly became a perfect dog. I still wouldn't leave it, or any other dog, alone with children. You can never be entirely sure that a dog won't snap if a child accidentally hurts it.

If we ever get another dog I would definitely consider a Staffie. Most are big softies and love people.

Welshwoofs

Keith wrote: »

The nose bump is a sign of dominance http://puppies.about.com/od/BehaviorProblems/a/Puppy-Body-Language.htm perhaps you missed the signs in front of a dominant dog?

However how we interpret a dog's body language is also subject to changes in fashion on canine theory and, in my experience, the signs on that list of dominance don't hold true in all cases.

For instance, according to that list 'leaning' is a sign of dominance, yet any giant breeder owner will tell you that Danes, Wolfhounds, Mastiffs etc will lean against people like theylike - even if the dog is very submissive. Leaning is one of the giant breed 'quirks' and nothing to do with showing dominance.

Likewise, standing 'over' other dogs. Well naturally, if you're hip height on a human you stand over pretty much every other dog by default and it doesn't necessarily mean that a huge dog is dominant on the basis that it's a lot bigger when standing close to a smaller dog.

MentalMinnie

seashore22 wrote: »

My only direct experience of an aggressive breed were Jack Russells. When I was a child it bite my friend on the nose very seriously while I was present. My husband also has first hand knowledge of a Jack Russell biting someone. I'm not saying that Jack Russells are a nasty breed, just that it's not only the big, powerful breeds that you have to be wary of. I think they are a breed with masses of character and I still have a soft spot for them, but would think twice about actually owning one.

We owned a Staffie cross for many years, which we rehomed from a dog sanctuary. Due to it's upbringing with the previous owners, it had a few behavioural issues. However with a bit of training, and a secure home, it quickly became a perfect dog. I still wouldn't leave it, or any other dog, alone with children. You can never be entirely sure that a dog won't snap if a child accidentally hurts it.

If we ever get another dog I would definitely consider a Staffie. Most are big softies and love people.

I second the Jack Russell comment. My mums neighbour/friend has one and he is a little !!!!!!. Mums friend is scared of him, which he can sense and he's bitten her a few times. He's even bitten my mum on one occasion. I will say though that it's completely the fault of my mum's friend and the way she's treated him.

michaelvintner

pulliptears wrote: »

I'm sorry but this type of thing annoys me so much. Please stop painting all Staffordshire Bull Terriers with the same brush. Members of my extended family have bred and raised Staffordshire Bulls for the last 20 years, long before the chav culture deemed them to be the 'in dog'. In those 20 years I've seen dog after dog grow into happy, healthy, well trained animals that most certainly didn't need muzzling in public because the worst they could do was probably lick you to death.

Lets then compare this with my Aunt, who had the cutest, fluffiest little spoilt poodles who would have your face off as soon as look at you.

There is no such thing as a bad dog or a bad breed. There are bad owners aplenty.

You are much more likely to be savaged by the cutesy little toy breeds than you ever are by a staffordshire bull terrier.

Agree completely, the last time a staff run up to me in a park it did nothing more dangerous than wag it's tail and run through my legs.

It's not the dog that the problem it's some of the absolute cretins that own them.

Some of the dogs I have seen snarling on chains are just annoyed because they have a bigger IQ than the owner and it really should be the other way around. The dog in charge of the owner as the dog has more brain cells and intelligence.

gregg1

liam8282 wrote: »

Fair enough but can't you see that repeatedly and negatively commenting on a subject that you actually know nothing about, adds to the problem of the negative image of this dog breed?

I am not arguing as such, just disproving obvious comments that are completely untrue. Maybe not purposely but still very wrong.

I really am not sure how many more times and how many different ways I can tell you that what I posted was true. I cannot force you to believe what myself and others have pointed out and to be honest, I am past caring whether you do or don't. You state you have disproved my comments. You have done nothing of the sort.

All you have proved is that you have an extremely blinkered view on this subject. You seem to be on a mission to attack anyone who dares to pass any even slightly negative comment on this breed. Dare I even tell you that I can't stand Jack Russell's either, I think they are horrible snappy little !!!!!!s. By the way, I do know what I am talking about, I have always owned dogs, my sister owns a Staffordshire Bull Terrier and at no time have I stated the breed itself is dangerous. The breed of dog being discussed on this thread was an SBT, I did not just pick the breed randomly to discuss. Also not sure how you came to the conclusion that I don't have a clue but I guess it suits your argument to assume that!

Maybe I should not have written that your post was rude and arrogant and for that I apologise, but to be fair, it is not exactly polite to imply people are liars or single handedly responsible for bringing the reputation of a particular breed into disrepute is it?

Fosterdog

goater78 wrote: »

1) there was never any debate whether or not a staffie was on the dangerous dogs list. There is a debate whether they should be on the list and I see that many countries have banned them.

Where have you seen that MANY countries have banned them?

The only country to have an outright ban is Germany, the ban is also against quite a large number of breeds. France did have a rule where they had to be neutered and registered much like we have with pit bull types but it wasn't an outright ban and I'm not sure if it's even still in place.

The other 194 countries of the world have no such ban, please show some evidence if you believe otherwise and want to claim it as fact (also it may be 203 countries depending on what list of countries you choose to follow)

goater78 wrote: »

Was the Staffie not originally bred as a fighting dog?

As others have said, no the staffie was not originally bred as a fighting dog it was bred as a bull baiting dog. They were only taught to fight other dogs when bull baiting became illegal and it is easier to hide the evidence of a dog fight than a bull bait. Staffies have also long been companion dogs, PAT dogs, and working dogs. They were always known to be incredibly gentle with people and have been called the "nanny dog" after how good they are with families and children. They are not a naturally aggressive breed of dog and any aggression is down to training or lack of socialisation which is true of any breed.

They are just unfortunate that they are the "chav" breed and are used as a status symbol by so many that it gives the whole breed a bad reputation. Before they became the status breed there were no reports of attacks by the breed outside of the dog fighting world.

System

I'm on my phone so can't publish links but I seem to remember seeing they were banned in the UAE, banned in some parts of Canada, on the restricted list in Bermuda, possibly restricted in Denmark and under the threat of being banned in Norway, Australia etc. just google it. I imagine many other countries ban them as well. I've not checked.

Lets be honest you're user name indicates you have an affinity for dogs so you're hardly impartial. If someone slagged off goats I would be equally annoyed :-)

pulliptears

Top ten most aggressive dogs in the UK:

Dachshunds
Chihuahua
Jack Russell
Australian Cattle Dog
Cocker Spaniel
Beagle
Border Collie
Pit Bull Terrier
Great Dane
English Springer Spaniel


From here http://www.dogbiteclaims.co.uk/dangerous-breeds.html

That surprises me not one iota. And not a Staffordshire Bull in sight

So, I'd be interested to learn when dog sitters, kennels etc are going to ban sausage dogs