Staff Dogs and Muzzles

krlyr

goater78 wrote: »

It was me with the friend not him. I'll ask next time I see her. You've not explained though why if Staffies are perfectly safe do some places not allow them?

Kids are, generally, "perfectly safe" but you get adult-only campsites or holiday parks that exclude children. Personal preference, convenience (not having to provide kid-friendly facilities/entertainment), tolerance, etc.
Some kids are raised to be aggressive, rude, even physically abusive. Does that make all kids dangerous?
Ditto with Staffies. Unfortunately, due to the nature of today's news, we hear a whole lot more about Staffie attacks than we do about the positives of the breed. Therefore many people assume the whole breed is dangerous - social influence and stereotyping.
I don't deny that the fact that the 'wrong crowd' choosing the Staffie as their status breed has probably contributed to some people breeding aggressive dogs and introducing aggressive traits into the lines, creating pups that are more predisposed to being aggressive than other dogs, but a) this is not all Staffies and b) the same could be done to many dogs. Designer dogs like the Chihuahua could equally be bred to be less friendly as breeders prioritise looks and size (with the fad for teeny-tiny dogs) over temperament, designer crosses like the Labradoodle etc. hitting off is bringing about more BYBs who will not take temperament into much consideration - any careless breeding can lead to dogs with less than ideal temperaments, and that is the problem here, not a particular breed as a whole.

liam8282

goater78 wrote: »

It was me with the friend not him. I'll ask next time I see her. You've not explained though why if Staffies are perfectly safe do some places not allow them?

I explained why the two places you posted links to do not allow staffordshire bull terriers and also cleared up the falacy that it was down to insurance issues, or so I thought.

Welshwoofs

goater78 wrote: »

You've not explained though why if Staffies are perfectly safe do some places not allow them?

No dog is guaranteed to be totally safe and if you're basing your impression of dog breeds by what is excluded then you may as well shun this lot too because every breed on this list is banned in one country or another as a 'dangerous breed':

1. AIREDALE TERRIER
2. AKBASH
3. AKITA
4. ALAPAHA BLUE BLOOD BULLDOG
5. ALASKAN MALAMUTE
6. ALSATIAN SHEPHERD
7. AMERICAN BULLDOG
8. AMERICAN HUSKY
9. AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER
10. AMERICAN STAFFORDSHIRE TERRIER
11. AMERICAN WOLFDOG
12. ANATOLIAN SHEPHERD
13. ARIKARA DOG
14. AUSTRALIAN CATTLE DOG
15. AUSTRALIAN SHEPHERD
16. BELGIAN MALINOIS
17. BELGIAN SHEEPDOG
18. BELGIAN TURVUREN
19. BLUE HEELER
20. BOERBUL
21. BORZOI
22. BOSTON TERRIER
23. BOUVIER DES FLANDRES
24. BOXER
25. BULLDOG
26. BULL TERRIER
27. BULL MASTIFF
28. CANE CORSO
29. CATAHOULA LEOPARD DOG
30. CAUCASIAN SHEPHERD
31. CHINESE SHAR PEI
32. CHOW-CHOW
33. COLORADO DOG
34. DOBERMAN PINSCHER
35. DOGO DE ARGENTINO
36. DOGUE DE BORDEAUX
37. ENGLISH MASTIFFS
38. ENGLISH SPRINGER SPANIEL
39. ESKIMO DOG
40. ESTRELA MOUNTAIN DOG
41. FILA BRASILIERO
42. FOX TERRIER
43. FRENCH BULLDOG
44. GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG
45. GOLDEN RETRIEVER
46. GREENLAND HUSKY
47. GREAT DANE
48. GREAT PYRANEES
49. ITALIAN MASTIFF
50. KANGAL DOG
51. KEESHOND
52. KOMONDOR
53. KOTEZEBUE HUSKY
54. KUVAZ
55. LABRADOR RETRIEVER
56. LEONBERGER
57. MASTIFF
58. NEOPOLITAN MASTIFF
59. NEWFOUNDLAND
60. OTTERHOUND
61. PRESA DE CANARIO
62. PRESA DE MALLORQUIN
63. PUG
64. ROTTWEILER
65. SAARLOOS WOLFHOND
66. SAINT BERNARD
67. SAMOYED
68. SCOTTISH DEERHOUND
69. SIBERIAN HUSKY
70. SPANISH MASTIFF
71. STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIER
72. TIMBER SHEPHERD
73. TOSA INU
74. TUNDRA SHEPHERD
75. WOLF SPITZ

gregg1

liam8282 wrote: »

Which insurer because nobody has actually shown one yet, shouldn't be too difficult to ask your friend and let us know.

I have no idea. As another poster suggested, if it bothers you so much, go google and find out yourself. It may just be one insurer, it may be more. My, this has wound you up hasn't it?

System

liam8282 wrote: »

I explained why the two places you posted links to do not allow staffordshire bull terriers and also cleared up the falacy that it was down to insurance issues, or so I thought.

Yes that's right you claimed they were ignorant. People who own dog business's are obviously ignorant about dogs. They are the racists of the dog world.

liam8282

gregg1 wrote: »

I have no idea. As another poster suggested, if it bothers you so much, go google and find out yourself.

What bothers me is people posting falacies, adding further to the unwarranted bad reputation of a dog breed that they clearly know nothing about.

liam8282

goater78 wrote: »

Yes that's right you claimed they were ignorant. People who own dog business's are obviously ignorant about dogs. They are the racists of the dog world.

You have nothing to add so resort to ridiculous comments like this.

There are no facts to support any of the comments you have made, so there is nothing more to discuss.

You have been proven wrong time and time again.

System

Welshwoof not quoting your post as its massive. However you can't deny the fact there are a large number of incidents that involve Staffies. Was the Staffie not originally bred as a fighting dog?

This whole post has come about because a Staffie unprovoked savages a puppy. That's not good!

gregg1

liam8282 wrote: »

What bothers me is people posting falacies, adding further to the unwarranted bad reputation of a dog breed that they clearly know nothing about.

And now,it's your turn to show me where I ever said I did know anything about the breed! A far as I am aware, this is a forum where people can make a contribution to a discussion.

I posted what someone was told as being the reason why they would not accept that breed at their kennels.

At the risk of winding you up even further I would like to let you know that the one and only time I have ever witnessed a dog snap and try to bite a child (completely unprovoked I may add) just happened to be this breed of dog. Now I am aware that this does not and should not taint the whole breed. Hoŵever, I am merely recounting what I personally saw and I have to confess, it did absolutely nothing to endear me to the breed.

Ps goater. I honestly never thought I would see the day when I would thank you. How about that then?

Welshwoofs

goater78 wrote: »

Welshwoof not quoting your post as its massive. However you can't deny the fact there are a large number of incidents that involve Staffies. Was the Staffie not originally bred as a fighting dog?

I'm not denying that there's a large number of reported incidents involving Staffies, no. It's because they get good press - go back 10 years and the original epithet 'Devil Dog' as actually coined for Rottweilers and now it's liberally applied by red tops to anything vaguely pitbull like...including Staffies.

Of course the stats are a wee bit skewed because "Child bitten in the face by Yorkshire Terrier" doesn't make good headlines...people don't get riled up over Daschunds (a breed top of the 'bite' list.)

This whole post has come about because a Staffie unprovoked savages a puppy. That's not good!

When my dog was a puppy he was attacked by a Jack Russell...the owner stood and laughed. He's also been attacked by a Labradoodle and a Red Setter. That's also not good is it?

Staffies are no worse or no better than any other dog; it's simply the fact that at the moment they're popular with a certain type of person who encourages the aggression. Sooner or later they'll lose popularity and another breed will be the choice....increasingly that breed seems to be the Husky.