Staff Dogs and Muzzles

zaksmum

liam8282 wrote: »

I think the second quote answers the first.

As I said, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are NOT registered under the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991. There are no issues with insurance.

But a man in my road had what he claimed were two staffies, certainly looked like staffies to me if a bit over muscled.

Apparently one of them bit a policewoman - the family were "known" to police - and both the dogs were subsequently taken by police and destroyed because they turned out to be "pit bull types".

liam8282

zaksmum wrote: »

Oh you're just being ridiculous now.

I wouldn't be so sure....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9605158/Dog-stabbed-23-times-in-front-of-owner-in-revenge-attack-in-Hampstead.html

liam8282

goater78 wrote: »

I'm sorry thats not remotely true.

I guess the insurance company is just telling lies then.

krlyr

zaksmum wrote: »

But a man in my road had what he claimed were two staffies, certainly looked like staffies to me if a bit over muscled.

Apparently one of them bit a policewoman - the family were "known" to police - and both the dogs were subsequently taken by police and destroyed because they turned out to be "pit bull types".

The problem is the law isn't against Pitbulls but "Pitbull types". Any breed/cross can be "of type" if it meets the suggested measurements/looks - a purebred Lab was a victim of BSL lately. Therefore a purebred Staffie can be deemed "of type" and therefore a banned dog - but this is judged on an individual basis.
In reality, most "of type" dogs go under the radar until they're flagged up purposely - a neighbour with a grudge, a dog-on-dog attack happens and due to the lack of criminal law on this, the owner of the attacked dog reports the dog as of-type to have something done about it, the dog is caught straying by a particularly strict DW, it's reported for aggression, etc. - with no dog register and no accurate DNA testing, it would be impossible to have a black and white "This dog's legal, this dog's banned" answer (which is why many people support "deed not breed", i.e. dogs are judged on their actions rather than because they look similar(ish) to a Pitbull.


In regards to kenneling/creche insurance, I wouldn't be surprised if some insurers excluded Staffies - you'll find lots of breed exclusions on personal insurance, not generally Staffies but the breeds prone to really expensive issues, e.g. Sharpeis, are often excluded by many insurers. AFAIK there's no "racism" law in dogs so an insurer would be fine to exclude whatever breeds they wanted if they had justification for it - e.g. a higher amount of Staffies being involved in liability claims making it more cost-effective to exclude them. Doesn't mean all insurers would exclude them though.

System

liam8282 wrote: »

I guess the insurance company is just telling lies then.

Must be a relatively new company who don't realise how incredibly dangerous Staffies are. I assume that they will soon be added to the exclusions list.

I can't see it being long before Staffies are added to the dangerous dog list. There will almost certainly be some legislation to enforce owners control them better e.g. force them to wear a muzzle.

liam8282

goater78 wrote: »

Must be a relatively new company who don't realise how incredibly dangerous Staffies are. I assume that they will soon be added to the exclusions list.

I can't see it being long before Staffies are added to the dangerous dog list. There will almost certainly be some legislation to enforce owners control them better e.g. force them to wear a muzzle.

Have you quoted an insurance company where they specifically state that they do not insure the staffordshire bull terrier breed?

Better still have a look at compare the market or other insurance comparison sites, and input the details using staffordshire bull terrier as dog breed. There are too many insurance companies to list that insure the breed, with no special requirements or exclusions.

For all the talk and here say on this thread, there is a (not surprising) lack of any evidence.

Going4TheDream

I am sorry to hear about your puppy's and your experience

I would say that immunisation is a two part thing and the injections are about one month apart so I would find it hard to think that your 8 or 9 week old puppy would have had both sets. This is a danger not only to your puppy but to other dogs it may come into contact with if they are not fully vaccinated.

It also recomended that puppies are not taken out until they have had both sets of injections and to wait for a week after the 2nd one usually about age of 12 weeks, I know that this is what I was told by my breeder and by the vet.

http://www.vetontheweb.co.uk/pet-clinic-detail.asp?id=31

With regard to muzzling, perhaps yes and most responsible people would agree, the problem arises with those who would refuse to do so and I know that I wouldnt muzzle my 'staffies' incase they were attacked by someones dog who wasnt. That said my doggies do not go off the lead, are well behaved and trained and repsond to commands.

Also it is a shame that you tarnish 'staffies' this could have easily happened with any dog. I have never known dogs that are so loyal, friendly and well behaved when trained. They are known as the nanny dog and with all dogs it is the owners and training that often affect behaviour. I see many dogs of all breeds when I am out walking off the lead and not responding to commands and rushing other dogs.

System

liam8282 wrote: »

Have you quoted an insurance company where they specifically state that they do not insure the staffordshire bull terrier breed?

Better still have a look at compare the market or other insurance comparison sites, and input the details using staffordshire bull terrier as dog breed. There are too many insurance companies to list that insure the breed, with no special requirements or exclusions.

For all the talk and here say on this thread, there is a (not surprising) lack of any evidence.

Thats all personal insurance again. I thought we had covered that.

I can't help but notice you have provided absolutely no evidence yourself. Your arguing technique appears to be to write RUBBISH in capital letters when anyone disagrees with you. The only evidence provided was by another poster. Which was quite useful and does show that its possible to get insurance with some providers,

However my personal experiences are that it was not possible for my friends Daycare to be insured by her provider for Staffies. Perhaps they could have shopped around more and found a provider that would. Another poster Gregg agrees that his friend has had trouble boarding a Staffie. and as Gregg has a personal dislike of me that would indicate it is very unlikely he is making that up!

liam8282

goater78 wrote: »

Thats all personal insurance again. I thought we had covered that.

I can't help but notice you have provided absolutely no evidence yourself. Your arguing technique appears to be to write RUBBISH in capital letters when anyone disagrees with you. The only evidence provided was by another poster. Which was quite useful and does show that its possible to get insurance with some providers,

However my personal experiences are that it was not possible for my friends Daycare to be insured by her provider for Staffies. Perhaps they could have shopped around more and found a provider that would. Another poster Gregg agrees that his friend has had trouble boarding a Staffie. and as Gregg has a personal dislike of me that would indicate it is very unlikely he is making that up!

Your last comment was talking about owners controlling staffies, so I presumed you were talking about personal insurance again.

Staffordshire Bull Terriers are NOT on the dangerous dogs list, end of any relevant discussion.

It has been proven that insurers do not have exclusions of the staffordshire bull terrier breed from their policies, end of any relevant discussion.

It should be easy to provide details of the insurance companies that will not insure staffordshire bull terriers, ask your friend and come back and tell us all who they are.

System

liam8282 wrote: »

Your last comment was talking about owners controlling staffies, so I presumed you were talking about personal insurance again.

Staffordshire Bull Terriers are NOT on the dangerous dogs list, end of any relevant discussion.

It has been proven that insurers do not have exclusions of the staffordshire bull terrier breed from their policies, end of any relevant discussion.

It should be easy to provide details of the insurance companies that will not insure staffordshire bull terriers, ask your friend and come back and tell us all who they are.

1) there was never any debate whether or not a staffie was on the dangerous dogs list. There is a debate whether they should be on the list and I see that many countries have banned them.

2) its been proven that one insurance company does not mention a Staffie in its exclusions. That does not prove that all insurers don't have an exclusion.

Just 1 minute on google has found the following two places that won't let Staffies in. People don't turn business away without a good reason.

http://www.dogbasics.co.uk/dogsitting/daycare.html
http://www.happytailsdogcreche.co.uk/